1920's Verger Freres Cased V+C?

Dear Members of The Hour Lounge,

I have been a browser and occasional watchuseek poster for a couple years now--and this is my first venture into The Hour Lounge. I come to you in need of assistance in learning information about a watch. To be specific, my grandfather's rarely worn gold watch. As a student of history, I feel a little background is in order so please indulge me:

My grandfather was a prototypical American hero from the greatest generation. He left his freshman year at Columbia university to join the marine and combat the orgiginal axis of evil in WWII. He was a USMC pilot who flew dozens of missions in an F4U corsair, including many aircraft carrier landings. After returning from the pacific theater, he married his high school sweetheart and forged a strong family. When the US conflict in Korea began , he again volunteered for his country. Upon the completion of his service, he came home and was a productive member of society - working hard, creating a loving family, and always looking out for his fellow man. He finally was overtaken by a 3rd heart attack at the age of 88 a few weeks ago, leaving behind a proud but mourning family and his wife of 66 years. I know this has nothing to do with with watch, but people as good as him don't come around often.

On a visit to my grandmother's this week, she was cleaning out his desk. Among the contents were two watches; the late 70's to early 80's timex he wore every day, and a very simple rectangular mechanical hand winding gold watch with no apparant markings - both of which she asked my brother and I to please take because she had no use for them. My brother asked if he could have the Timex, which was always on Grandad's wrist while we were around him, and I was happy to oblige. I kept the gold watch, a part of me wondering where my grandfather who was very simple in taste and style, had gotten it.

An important point must be stated here. He wore his Timex my entire childhood - in fact it was the only watch I ever saw him wear. Yet when his health rapidly declined and his life became much more limited, he started wearing the gold watch. When he suffered the last heart attack, as he dressed himself to go to the hospital after the paramedics arrived, he put on this gold watch instead of the Timex. I do not know if this significant or whether I am reading to much into it, but I noticed it nonetheless.

Being a (humble) watch enthusiast, I was curious about this unmarked watch and asked my grandmother about it. She simply told me that my Uncle Pete (a friend of the family who lived with them in his twilight years - born 1899) had given it to him.

Tonight, I cracked open the hinged gold case and found some markings on the movement, but still no indication fo exactly what the watch was. The movement is marked:

"Vacheron & Constantin"
"Swiss Geneve"
"402353"
"Swiss (15) Fifteen Jewels"

There are some faint markings on the inside of the hinged case cover, some that look as if written by hand and others that might be stamped or engraved. I have taken the best pictured I can with my current camera to represent them all.

After posting this on several watch enthusiast forums, I have learned a bit more information.  From what I can tell the movement number dates the watch to the late 1920's, and the markings and numerals on the dial perfectly match that of a confirmed Verger Freres/VC from another thread on this site.  I am sending the watch to the VC Texas repair center for evaluation, but I am of course eager to learn any more I can from you all.  Any info, advice, or comments you have are welcome.

Best Regards,
RM
1920's Verger Freres Cased V+C?


1920's Verger Freres Cased V+C?

1920's Verger Freres Cased V+C?

1920's Verger Freres Cased V+C?

1920's Verger Freres Cased V+C?

1920's Verger Freres Cased V+C?

1920's Verger Freres Cased V+C?

1920's Verger Freres Cased V+C?

1920's Verger Freres Cased V+C?
Already answered...
09/03/2009 - 01:17
Your identical posting at Purists a week or more ago was answered by many people, including myself.  What more are you looking for?  You might want to change your text just a bit between forums too .
Re: Already answered...
09/03/2009 - 03:39
Indeed, I gained much information from my nearly identical post on Purists and updated this posting to include it as best I could.  I was encouraged by the Vacheron Concierge to repost here so that this community could share its knowledge/opinions as well, specifically in the hopes that a moderator might be able to give me more specific information about the production date/circumstances.  I am in no way trying to clutter or spam your message boards, just following the advice of the VC Concierge.  And for the record, I did change the text a bit . RM
Re: 1920's Verger Freres Cased V+C?
09/03/2009 - 04:26
Many of the same people visit and post on both sites. The VC concierge may not have realized this. However, some here particularly the Euros may want to chime in. VC may have the sales records for this watch in their archives, at least the retailer they sold it to. The case and movement numbers are crucial and from those, you can probably find out quite a bit from VC. JB
Verger Frères!!
09/06/2009 - 01:12
The poche surprise, the watch above was one of Vergers constructions. This watch made by them with Vacheron&Constantinn movement and sold by the famous jeweler Marchak on the "fine street" were Cartier, Van Cleef & Arpels etc were at the 1920s. The hallmark of Verger is the triangular one, figuring a fruit tree. Verger means fruit garden. Verger were AD's for VC in Paris in the enf of 19th and the beginning of the 20 th century,  made a lot of works also for other companies, but mostly for VC. Finally VC owned 100% of Verger Frères. Best Doc