About VC's Certificate of Authenticity

Dear Alex.

How many months does the VC vintage watch Certificate of Authenticity work to publication?

Thank you in advance.


others here have ordered this certificate and they can probably help
01/05/2008 - 19:07

more than I can

I don't have the answer but will ask...

How does the VC process compare with Patek?
01/05/2008 - 19:21

It seems that many Patek owners have acquired an Extract from the Archives but few vintage Vacheron watches come with a similar document.  Is it the cost, convenience, or what I wonder?

The Patek document is just an extract from the archives which you can
01/05/2008 - 19:33

order via their web site. This document doesn't tell you if your watch is genuine but that a watch with a specific case and movement number was made at a certain date. It is also rather cheap.

The problem with this is that today we see more and more fake vintage watches and all a counterfeiter has to do is look up an auction catalogue and put the correct numebrs on the fake case and movement

The VC Certificate is given upon physical inspection of the watch and it is a true certificate of authenticity which legally binds the brand. It is also more fancy with a picture of the watch and on high grade paper...it is also rather expensive (I think however that VC is currently working on a way in lowering the cost)

Re: The Patek document is just an extract from the archives which you can
01/06/2008 - 14:31

Alex...What you say is true about countereit watches, but in my case I am trying to make certain that its not a "married" piece. The patek archive will also give you the date of manufacture and in many cases a general description of the dial. All of which is important to me. In regards to the counterfeiters, with Patek and perhaps vacheron they are not very good and if you do your due diligence you can catch them. Another strong point for Patek is the cost and delivery. I believe it still costs 75 swiss franc and in my experience you will get it in the mail within 2 weeks. I think this would be a very positive move for Vacheron and would strenthen the vintage market imo. They can still have their existing system for those who want it or are sending their watch over for repairs.

I don't know why VC decided to make life hard for themselves and
01/06/2008 - 15:36

offer only a Certificate of Authenticity needing physical inspection of the watch. Maybe they considered that if a client was requesting information on a watch the service would be much higgher and value added more important if the brand could assure the client that not only such case, movement and dial were effectively born together but also that the watch is genuine.

The head of the watch deparrtment of a famous auction house once told me that they had a vintage Patek for sale (a complicated model) with extract from the archives. Once the catalogue was out a collector contacted them saying that he had the exact same watch with an extract from the archives. The watch was finally not offered for sale and rather luckyly because it was a counterfeit!!

Unfortunately counterfeiters are doing an immense job today (I'm not talking about cheap Chinese fakes) to con the collector. Just have a look at the scan of the movement herebelow, hard to believe that its not genuine!!

Re: others here have ordered this certificate and they can probably help
01/06/2008 - 06:58

When it wants you to issue the certificate to VC, could I issue it if the maintenance service of the VC's vintage watch is not received?

Thank you in advance.


the certificate and servicing of the watch are two seperate things...
01/06/2008 - 11:26

you can requestthe certificate without having the watch serviced.

Re: the certificate and servicing of the watch are two seperate things...
01/06/2008 - 18:46

Thank you for Alex and all.

The posture of VC was able to be good for the certificate and to understand. 

I inform you when the certificate will reach me from VC in about 6 months.


Re: About VC's Certificate of Authenticity
01/05/2008 - 19:39


You can check this out if you have not already done so:

VC Website under "Services/Certificate of Authenticity"

THe amount of time it takes depends on how long they take to examine the watch, if it has to be fully dissasembled etc. It can take many months ie 6 months or more). But I believe they may offer to fix anything (at a cost), clean the watch etc.



Re: Re: About VC's Certificate of Authenticity
01/06/2008 - 07:36

Dear Joseph.

Thank you for kind advice about you.  It becomes a request of very high priced, and I have hesitated.

It becomes a request of very high priced, and I have hesitated. The watch from which it and I had tried to get one's certification just maintained it in the Geneva headquarters the other day. Moreover, if maintenance is claimed by me, total cannot be bought and I do.   

Best regards.


Re: Re: Re: About VC's Certificate of Authenticity
01/06/2008 - 12:42

Are you having a flashback?

Just make sure you do it directly with VC rather than through an AD
01/07/2008 - 17:40

The ADs will charge you up to double the cost of the certificate for using their forwarding service, or maybe even more than that. Many people here will tell you horror stories. So just deal with VC directly, ask them for the address and everything.

How to quickly check with VC if your vintage is genuine:
01/07/2008 - 17:45

You can call or send an email to VC with the movement and case numbers and they will reply to you within a few days as to whether these were really produced and actually come from a single watch (as opposed to a movement fitted in a different case than teh original). Of course you will still have the problem that "fakers" could have gotten the numbers from somewhere (antiquorum) and faked them, but still, you should be able to be pretty sure your watch is genuine.

You can always check in antiquorum and other sites the case and movement numbers to make sure just to double check.

Have you done this Nico?
01/07/2008 - 20:01

I sent an e-mail the the concierge, and the reply I got back was to send information to the Heritage Dept, which I found on the website, but with a PO box, no phone, no e-mail. They will provide the catalog price, or the retail price at which the piece was sold, for insurance purposes. It seems that this is for contemporary pieces only, I don't see how this would apply to vintage pieces.

Or, I could do this - call an auction house.

I had to read that over a couple times to make sure I was reading that right. Yep V&C referred me to contact Antiquorum, or Sotheby's or Christies, and even provided their phone numbers.

So it seems that for a vintage watch, you have to comit to the certificate process, or nothing. It's nice that they dropped the price on that to CHF 850 (US $760) still very steep, but the 6 months plus timeline is a deal killer.

I have a friend who calls up VC in Geneva each time he gets a new
01/07/2008 - 20:08

vintage with case and movement numbers as the info he recieves is almost instantanious: date of manufacture and where the watch was sold.

The 6 month timeline seems exagerated

I would love to have that phone number
01/07/2008 - 20:46

The six months is for the certificate of authenticity, and that would be a short estimate. The thing is, it seems there is no in between. The concierge did not give me a phone number for V&C, he gave me phone numbers for three auction houses. So I can call Antiquorum NY and hope they may have information, or just go on what I know to evaluate a watch.

I am buying a nice vintage chrono, and while it looks OK, it would be nice to be able to have some confimation that case and movement began life together.

Just call up the Maison in Geneva, you can find their n° on the VC
01/07/2008 - 21:31


PS please post scans if you get the chrono!

Re: Just call up the Maison in Geneva, you can find their n° on the VC
01/07/2008 - 23:58

Can this phone # also be used for VC watches manufactured in the last 5 years?

no I believe they stop somewhere in the 80s. Normally for modern
01/08/2008 - 11:04

watches there is enough info to know if the case, movement and dial go together (which is the main question for vintage watches).

I guess if you want to know the absolute exact date of manufacture of your watch (bacause you don't have the original papers) is to ask for a certificate.

Re: no I believe they stop somewhere in the 80s. Normally for modern
01/08/2008 - 11:20

Thanks, Alex.  I have all the original paperwork, but it does not indicate date of manufacture.

Yes I have... email
01/08/2008 - 20:45

That's how I found out the first VC I bought had a genuine movement, but a fake case. Changed it to the one I have now. To be fair, the dealer I bought it from didn't know the case was fake and was very prompt in trying to get new ones.

I don't remember how I got the email, or whether I can post it here or whether the person working in teh heritage department still works there.

Alex, can you let me know if it is OK to post the email here?

but I won't give it out as per forum rules
01/08/2008 - 23:21

sorry; been asked not too give the email out in public. I can understand why though. But if you send an email to VC via their website, asking about a watch with movement and case numbers it will make its way to the right people and you will get an email back from them usually rather promptly.