Another Contest!

Presented for your examination are these pictures of a vintage Vacheron Geneve pocket watch.  The seller informs us that this circa 1860 watch is genuine, but there are certain key features that might suggest otherwise.  Please contribute your comments about what is "right" or "wrong" with this piece.

The prize, to be shared equally by all participants, is our admiration and thanks Another Contest!.

Another Contest!

Another Contest!

Another Contest!

Another Contest!

Another Contest!
03/27/2010 - 19:48
03/27/2010 - 23:52
Doc
03/29/2010 - 14:29
03/28/2010 - 13:08
03/29/2010 - 13:15
03/28/2010 - 18:31
I'll start....
03/27/2010 - 23:52
almost everything looks wrong on the inscriptions on the cuvette
I'll duplicate Alex
03/29/2010 - 14:29
and says that the back clearly speaks for it self as a false V&C! Also an ansver to Tic-talk's snow pics.... From Saturday 16:30 , taken from my living room at least som grass is to be seen after this loooong winter. Cheers Doc
K 18?
03/28/2010 - 13:08
The mechanism looks so crude, like it was taken off an 18th century locomotive...........  
Re: K 18?
03/29/2010 - 13:15
Agreed. This is NOT a VC movement. Best regards. Patrice.
Clues...
03/28/2010 - 18:31

I'll be away most of the week enjoying some fine mountain weather but will leave some clues for others to expand on... Cuvette: of course, Alex is right that there is much wrong with the inscriptions.  Three problems jump out at me.  What are they? Movement: yes, big issues here too.  Certain characteristics identify its period of manufacture just as if it had a date stamp.  So what do they tell us about this movement? Cheers and have a great week .

The movement.....
03/29/2010 - 21:04
is decorated more in the manor of an American pocket watch than a swiss watch....and from a later period (though I have no expertise here). The enamel case seems kinda nice, FWIW. There should be no need to try to fake anything. Bill
More observations...
03/31/2010 - 03:53
I just couldn't resist a peak into the lounge...amazing what one can accomplish nowadays with a laptop and a wireless coffee shop! Here are my observations: Firstly, the case number engraved on the cuvette, which matches the outer cover, has only 4 digits.  Even if we start with the assumption that the date attributed to this watch is accurate, it should then have a 5 digit number.  If the owner is in error and we judge by the movement's date, it should have a 6 digit number. Second, the name of Vacheron without Constantin is improper for the period.  Those very few Jean Marc Vacheron watches that were singularly signed came and went much earlier. Then if you examine the style of the cuvette engraving, you will notice the poorly executed "Vacheron" label, which is inconsistent with the fairly good quality of the remainder.  I suspect the case was contract manufactured for whatever retailer who purchased to add their name upon delivery. Of course, the hallmarks are not for Vacheron. On to the movement; one would expect the standard bar calibre of the period.  What we have presented to us is a more modern, circa 1905, anonymous movement.   As Bill also pointed out, the decoration is very American although I have seen Swiss import movements, including Vacheron, given American-style decoration, although a bit more subtle. The prettiest part of this piece is the case decorations, supposedly enamel hand-painted scenes with inset stones and pearls.  The work, to my eye at least, copies in certain areas the technique of enamel over guilloche but looks to be more like paint over foil which was used to embellish less expensive watches.  If this is true, I might also suspect that the very pretty painted scenes are actually decals; again commonly used for less expensive items. Cheers from the coffee shop
thank God for modern means of communication :-) (nt)
03/31/2010 - 18:42
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