antique pocket watch

antique pocket watch

antique pocket watch

antique pocket watch

Hi, I have an antique pocket watch that's been in the family, and am hoping you can help me understand a little more about it. The movement number is 305303, and the case number is 89384 with a 153 underneath it and a hallmark that looks like the number 1 4 with a symbol in the middle of the 1 and 4. Here's some photos to help.
Thanks for the help.  Anne

Re: antique pocket watch
12/13/2007 - 17:21

Here's an inside photo... sorry about the bad lighting...Anne

Welcome Anne...
12/13/2007 - 18:58

The first Lady on the HL!!

I can't help you, I am sure THE vintage specialist of the forum will help you!!

Re: Welcome Anne...
12/13/2007 - 20:09

I promise I won't stay long...

WHAAATTT? On the contrary, please stick around :-) (nt)
12/13/2007 - 20:18


Re: WHAAATTT? On the contrary, please stick around :-) (nt)
12/13/2007 - 22:42

As long as the cigar smoke doesn't get to me......(nt)

no cigar and there are some other ladies here (nt)
12/13/2007 - 22:58


Is there any specific info you are looking for? I would say the watch
12/13/2007 - 19:52

looks from 1905-1920 and probably made for the European market (for markets outside Europe, mainly USA the dial was inscribed with Geneve - Suisse)

Re: Is there any specific info you are looking for? I would say the watch
12/13/2007 - 20:08

Thanks for the date range.  I am curious about the hallmark in the case.   It looks like the letter S with an arrow running vertically down the middle, and the number 1 on one side and 4 on the other.  I can't focus the camera well enough to get a good shot. 

Also, is the watch a particular model?

Thanks again for the help. 


Doc is the hallmark expert, I'll let him answer. As to the model
12/13/2007 - 20:50

it is not a particular model (like for example the Chronometre Royal or the complicated models)

My favorite font!
12/13/2007 - 20:59

Ohhh, I just love those dials with the fancy script for the arabic numerals! That is one of my favorite pocket watches.

It dates to 1907 and may have been made as a contract watch. Even at that time, if the case had been made in Europe, it likely would have been 18K. The hallmarks you see may be American, since the case seems to be marked 14K. The movement was pretty common, and was often marked with the name of the jeweler who contracted the watch. Since this one is marked only Vacheron & Constantin, on both movement and dial, it makes for a mystery as to the relation of the case to the movment/dial.

Off the top of my head I can't recall of Vacheron making 14k cases in europe, they may have. And your case may not be 14k, the pics are too blurry to be sure just what it says. You should have it serviced and ask the watchmaker if he can identify the marks.

What is that protrait inside the cover? Looks like it is printed on the inside of the case? Thats odd.

Re: My favorite font!
12/13/2007 - 22:51

Thanks for the info!  Very interesting.  It may actually be a 2 and a 4, instead of a 1 - can you see it?  Maybe 24k?

It was probably purchased in the Boston area.  The image seems to be part of the case, although part of the image has worn off.  You've never seen anything like this?

Appreciate the help! Anne

Re: Re: My favorite font!
12/15/2007 - 17:06

The "J" superimposed over the "S" is the trademark of Jeanot & Shiebler, one of the top 2-3 pocket watch case makers in the US.  This almost certainly means the movement was originally sold in the US and cased here.  At the time this watch was sold, it was very common for watches to be sold uncased, to be cased by the retailer just as the buyer wanted.

Thanks Ethan, and welcome to the Lounge :-) (nt)
12/17/2007 - 18:42


Doc's guess...
12/14/2007 - 01:11

and little more,

says it's made about 1910-1920 !

And I also like the beauty!

Notice the 24 hours system, it was about that time,

they tried to get people used to see that the day had 24 hours,

which push it nearer 1920's !

Keep as a family treasure, it's more worth that way,

than on the market 


12/14/2007 - 12:28

this is not a 24h dial.

Must be the influence of influenza ;-> Just kidding Doc (nt)
12/14/2007 - 16:39


Sorry I'm not totally back in bussiness!
12/14/2007 - 16:48

Anyhow it got small seconds,

and the numbers makes me stand by my guess,

perhaps 10 years older,

but the message is,

keep it as a family heritage,

never sell it,

because there is no money worth the value of the heritage

And in no other watch you can see the movement so easily and elegant.

Not through a sapphireglass in miniature on the back,

but in real scale,

please enjoy it !

AND pocket watches generally is underestimated.... 

These last words I heared from inside VC,

and since I got a bunch of pocket watches,

and recently aquired two UNIQUE pocket watches,

OK, they were not cheap, but compared with a new produced tourbillon,

I definitely prefer them.

I will present them next year,

when I taken some real photos....

Now i'm broke,

but happy


Welcome to the Lounge Anne!
12/14/2007 - 16:40

And thank you for sharing with us pictures of your family treasure...

The watch is really beautiful, I really like the way the numbers are written.

It is the first time that I see a picture "printed" on the inside  of the officer's back.

Alex/Doc/any other "expert", is it possible that the image of the lady got transferred from an actual photo?

And of course, most important welcome to the Lounge Anne!
12/14/2007 - 16:51


Re: And of course, most important welcome to the Lounge Anne!
12/16/2007 - 19:10

Thank you all for the warm welcome and the wealth of information. I have to admit I am entranced by the workings of the watch after seeing the interior and watching its graceful gears turning.  I showed it to my daughter and compared it to the ugly entrails of my digital age watch and its colorless battery.  You are right in that it is vastly undervalued in the market place.