Any news on the Hour Lounge VC watch?

Hello Loungers,

I have been wondering about our very own Hour Lounge edition watch lately. Since I had a nice chat with Mr. Torres at SIHH on the subject not much has changed. As I said before Mr. Torres was very open to the idea as well as he pointed out QdI could be an option.

There have been quite a few thoughts and posts on QdI replacing our previous choices. What do you think? 

Should we go with a personalized QdI Automatic Date say in palladium/titanium version: 

Any news on the Hour Lounge VC watch?

or should we stick to the previous chocies?

Any news on the Hour Lounge VC watch?

BiRetro in Grands Explorateurs case

Any news on the Hour Lounge VC watch?

Triple date in Grands Explorateurs case

Any news on the Hour Lounge VC watch?

Chronometre Royal

Please cast in your thoughts, ideas and votes...

I am sure this will help push the project forward and get a rough idea on where we stand as far as how many Loungers will be really interested in ordering the HL edition.

04/23/2008 - 19:50
04/24/2008 - 00:04
04/24/2008 - 00:36
04/24/2008 - 01:18
04/24/2008 - 01:36
04/24/2008 - 06:15
04/24/2008 - 14:01
All of them attract me but the QdI may be the easiest and cheapest...
04/23/2008 - 15:12

solution as all elements exists and they won't need to make anything special for the watch

Re: Any news on the Hour Lounge VC watch?
04/23/2008 - 15:36

The QdI is a very beautiful watch ... but even if personalization is not actually possible on the QdI Automatic Date, I think that it should be on the near future no?

Something more exclusive could be done with the QdI in my opinon, but what ?

I would go for a QdI in palladium like your pic.
04/23/2008 - 16:06

I think like Alex this could be the cheapest way to do something for the Loungers, but I think, as François said, this particular watch needs a particular touch for us.

Maybe a certain combination in metals, or with the dial...

QdI in Steel!
04/23/2008 - 19:50


Great idea I think!! :-) ....
04/23/2008 - 20:46

... more afordable.

But i think that we have to find a disctintive element for a QdI for HL.

steel an titanium would be a great mix! (nt)
04/24/2008 - 11:58


Bi-retro HL and if it is not possible QdI (did you have chance to send
04/23/2008 - 19:58

a mail to Mr Torres?

Will do ;-) nt
04/24/2008 - 00:04


The bi-retrograde...
04/24/2008 - 00:36

I really like the bi-retrograde with the special coloured hands...It is a really nice touch, as the pointers seems to float!

It does not neeed to be in the patrimony case...just the colour changes would be enough (and "The Hour Lounge Edition" writen on the back)

Thank you all.

                                                                                             Rolando Figueiredo

as I said previously
04/24/2008 - 01:18

while I would very much like to have the triple date with moonphase, it would be a lot cheaper and it would make more sense to have the QdI as the HL watch.

My sense from Mr Torres' response at SIHH is that if the project is too ambitious/ time-consuming, it will not happen. Pushing for a customized time/day QdI really increases the success probability of this project.

It's funny how the Bi-Retro in Grand Explorateurs case, who didn't win the contest, reappeared as one of the options... Radek wrote the post, but... Alex, wasn't that your favorite option?

Hi Francois, HL BiRetro was my favorite as well...
04/24/2008 - 10:54

and it came as a first runner-up in the contest.  To be honest, I included it in this post because at SIHH Mr. Torres told me something about insufficient supply of the triple date calendar movements at VC. Thus, my predicition an HL Triple Date is sort of too ambitious/time-consuming...

Anyway, I believe in the project and along with Alex's support will do my best to make it happen.

All we need is the count of the declared Loungers as to come up with a final quote for the piece.


Alex, Regarding the Bi-Retro HL, the case exists, the movement also
04/24/2008 - 13:24

and it feats; what will be the grounds of a non receivable request on that HL watch?

(double) thanks

the case does not exist in RG and will need to be made as well as the
04/24/2008 - 13:35

dial and hands.

I need to talk this over with Mr. Torres BUT at one point or another it is important to put one's money where one's mouth is and decide what needs to be done because I don't want to look totally stupid when after having negotiated the HL watch only 3-4 people decide to go for it!

Let's let this rest for a while and I'll get back to all with what VC management decides on.

(Double) thanks (nt)
04/24/2008 - 14:06


Alex, maybe when the estimation for the watch
04/24/2008 - 15:13

is somewhat clearer (ex. 15K-20K Euro), you could ask everyone here who's willing to commit on really getting the watch. Then a figure really exists to present to VC.

Dear Alex, if you need support in your further proceedings with...
04/24/2008 - 15:19

the management, please let me know. I'll be happy to assist you. You know there's a handful/dozen of us committed here and we'll prevail on this

ahhhh, that's why...
04/24/2008 - 16:55

thanks dude!

I have one suggestion maybe...
04/24/2008 - 01:29

...that would really set apart the HL QdI from the other ones is to use a colored dial.

I would think that this should not increase costs, and the visual impact could be quite powerful.

The color combination I have in mind is a palladium case mixed with titanium (to have a good mix of shiny and mat), with a transparent blue QdI dial (a la Sputnik model...). With the black bracelet, I think it could look quite cool.

While I like blue, a more neutral color might suit more Loungers... all the colors used in Les Masques collection could work.

Anyway, it's just an idea...

Alex, since you're pushing again for his Bi-retrograde (), I've decided to go all out to and push for my "pimped-up VC" concept

To be honest !
04/24/2008 - 01:36

We have not made it concerning a ring, buttons, a pin or a watch...

I mean real man do things, not just talks

So my, Doc's utterly personal feeling is,

it really doesn't matter how the watch will look,

but it must be a unique Hour Lounger's watch !

I also believe that a low price is valuable,

since there were so many good ideas,

and any 100% watch was not created.

Some of us perhaps don't really long for the watch...

you understand what I mean.

The old, "make it simple,stupid", suits this situation



By the way, Doc
04/24/2008 - 01:54

Concerning your idea on the ring/button/pin...

I remember that Alex had a GREAT idea at the SIHH VC dinner... Dominic Bernaz was wearing VERY COOL VC prototype cufflinks that never made it to final production... The cufflink were rectangular/squarish, with a black stone in the middle on which was carved half the Maltese cross... Very nice

For me that would be the best HL "jewelry", apart from the watch 

Interesting Francois!
04/24/2008 - 02:16

I know Dom is in China now, I'll talk to him when he is back!

Sounds just perfect

Could be a good start,

we can't keep on discussing these things forever,

otherwise we are quite fast when we want something...........or ?



Re: By the way, Doc
04/24/2008 - 02:35

Hi Francois,

You may recall that I was sitting next to Dominique at the dinner and saw those cuff-links too. Well, you may also recall that I had suggested cuff-link as an idea. When I saw his, I couldn't believe it! he had "stolen" my design

I had designed a set based on the tonneau shape with the same proportions as the Malte Tourbillon with the half Maltese cross on each cufflink.

I was going to have someone locally make a set out of silver since its cheaper than using gold and post them here.

I just hadn't decided whether to make the half matese cross inlaid (sunken) or in relief (raised).

Dominique's were a white metal (probably gold) with a centre, I think, made of onyx.

I had conceived it as a polished stepped edge like the bezel (which his also had) and the centre part of the tonneau in brushed metal as a contrast.

Qu'est-ce que tu pense?


Re: Re: By the way, Doc
04/24/2008 - 16:59

Hi JB,

I think the idea of having the cufflinks made in the tonneau shaped is a brilliant one!

I think I would prefer to have the center made out of onyx, with the half maltese cross inlaid (I can't remember what Mr Bernaz had...)

I would all be for that idea...

A special ring or necklace would be a nice alternatives
04/24/2008 - 06:20

since watches are so expensive nowadays...I don't think I can buy another watch!

But to show our pride as a Lounger can always be done in a simple (and cheaper) way, like Doc said, a pin (not so special IMHO) or a ring would be the next best thing.

I'd say Chronometer Royal.
04/24/2008 - 06:15

It's gorgeous and screams "VC!"...

My suggestions for the Hour Lounge watch would be...
04/24/2008 - 11:03

1. a BiRetro in Grands Explorateurs case since regular Patrimony BiRetro is a tad too big for me and I love the design of the watch and the concept of two retrograde functions in the watch (day and date)

2. if no. 1 turned out not feasible, I would go for HL QdI in palladium/titanium automatic Date only. And in this case, I have to agree with Doc once again: 'the simpler, the better'

Please share your thoughts and interests on the subject.


In case of QdI, May be we should think about changing the hands? (nt)
04/24/2008 - 14:00


Sorry Lin, I like the hands on QdI... (nt)
04/24/2008 - 16:16

I know that Radek (but) we can not avoid the fact that
04/24/2008 - 16:56

some of the Loungers may have a very very nice new idea on the hands (something which can be remove without to much cost)

I would like to know what you are thinking about
04/24/2008 - 17:10

I do like the current hands, but I would be open to suggestions...

The HUGE problem is that I am not a designer, so
04/24/2008 - 18:50

It is very difficult to post what I would like to see in a QdI HL hands.

I know the existing VC hands that I like, such as :


As you can see, nothing can really feats for the QdI HL.

BUT It seems to me that these hands feat perfectly with these Timepieces

Exemples non VC :

SAME HERE : these are part of these Timepieces

I agree, the round-edge hands of the PP Nautilus could look nice nt
04/24/2008 - 21:42


Lin, I'm open to the ideas. That's why I started this discussion...
04/24/2008 - 17:16

in first place and will not ban anyone from throwing in their creative proposals

I would like the whole process to go as smoothly as possible but we all know it's a great challenge. The simpler we keep it, the bigger chance of success. That's it.

Still, you are (as well as I am) entitled to your own opinion and I appreciate this very much. My opinion is the hands on QdI are great. If we decide to change them, I'll go with the majority . As you can see, I am very much determined to push this thing through and will suffer some () if that's what it takes to achieve the ultimate goal of HL watch.

Love and peace!

Very nice open mind (nt)
04/24/2008 - 18:57


This is my final conclusion !
04/24/2008 - 14:01

Radek's story about the buttons Dom. Bernaz were wearing, is just amazing

On the other hand I'm wearing these right now, as you can see pic is taken some minutes ago!

These buttons were designed by my father, also a doc, and made 1941!

He passed away when I was only 24 years old, so these are MY buttons,

as you understand, and I use them most of the buttons i have

Why they are designed with a Malteser Cross, I can't explain,

but my father didn't have any Vacheron&Constantin!

So for me buttons is not first choice, and i wonder how many of you who really use buttons,

more or less daily, as I do.

A watch is a great investment and spending a lot of money on a watch that you not like 100%,

isn't any option either.

For me a 18K ring or a pin would be a more attractive investment.

Isn't the whole idea that as many as possible of us should have the same thing?

I doubt there are many of us who will put up 10 - 20 K EUR on a watch they not really like,

just because it is stamped HL somewhere?

Not me, I rather spend that money on a nice art deco watch from Vacheron&Constantin

It's important to be honest in this discussion and come to a decision.

My votes go to:

1. A pin, all can afford it.

2. A ring, all doesn't want it, but could afford it.

3. Buttons, same as the ring.

4. A watch, if not very nice and heavily sponsored by VC, which I doubt,

    I wouldn't by one, sorry to say, but honest.

This is my final conclusion and i would like all other to do the same.



Amen. Pin is very easy and VC already has them. Re the watch see
04/24/2008 - 14:26

my reply to LN's post above.

a pin is fine with me, as stated it is affordable...
04/24/2008 - 15:00

and it should be somehow HL distinctive  Then the majority of the Loungers can order one.

However, I do not want to give up on the Hour Lounge VC watch!!!

I believe it is worth the effort even if 15-20 watches are conceived at the end of the day  

I doubt there are many of us who will put up 10 - 20 K EUR on a watch
04/24/2008 - 15:03

they not really like, just because it is stamped HL somewhere?...

I have to agree with you Doc. As I mentioned earlier, there are simpler ways to show our pride as Loungers

Re: I doubt there are many of us who will put up 10 - 20 K EUR on a wa
04/24/2008 - 15:13

Dear Fellow Loungers,

I agree with the idea of cufflinks with a special HL theme ~ certainly a practical, affordable yet stylish way of showing our passion for VC and the HL!

Guess have to settle with this one for the moment.
04/25/2008 - 19:46

Again, Doc, you put the finger on the right place!
04/24/2008 - 15:40

I agree with a pin too. You can wear it as a distinctive belonging to a club, what we are. This is a very nice and "cheap" idea!

Anyway, I would only buy a watch if I love it, and after seeing it in reality of course. As far as I followed all the recent comments in all the after SIHH posts, it seems that a QdI version could be well accepted, but we have to see it, to wear it a little, for most of us, and to feel it.

I think we have also to know what VC is ready to do for HL, and if it could really fit as many people as possible.

Alex's discussion with VC will be of great help too for deciding.


Very good point Doc
04/24/2008 - 17:39

In myview, there is no link really between the "pin" and the watch, it is not really a question of getting one or the other...

A Pin/cufflinks to Identify the Loungers

As you and many have said, a pin/cufflinks would be a lot cheaper and affordable to most Loungers.

Since your original idea was to have something for the Loungers to wear and to represent that we are part of "the club", than such a small item would be perfect. The only point I would make is that if this item turns out to be a pin, I would prefer it not the be the full Maltese cross - it might be interpreted by some as a religious symbol and therefore might not appropriate for everyone.

Getting a good deal on a special watch

I saw the idea of the HL LE watch in a different way. For me, it wasn't about having a watch us Loungers could be identified by. Rather, I saw it as an opportunity to use a group bargaining power to get a special, unique watch done. It meant either being able to get a group discount on some already existing model with a small variation, or to share the costs involved with creatign a new piece. Of course, at such a price only people really wanting the watch will get it.

Based on the fact that the QdI is already customizable, but mostly given the high level of interest it generated at SIHH and on the Lounge, I though that it make more sense to use that as the HL model... If ultimately a few of us are going to buy one anyway, then why not buy them as a group and benefit from that?

Next steps

As you said, Doc, the important thing is to be honest about it and save Alex and other a bunch of efforts and troubles if in the end only 3-4 people want it.

So being completely honest, if the HL watch is something that happens in 2009 or 2010, I will consider it VERY seriously if it is the QdI. If I have to put up the money this year, I'm not part of the deal...

As Alex said, this is not the most urgent item on the agenda (at least, not on mine), and I am happy to put the idea aside for a little while. It's not like we have a lot of traction with Torres and if we don't make a proposal in the next 48 hours, we're going to lose the opportunity.

I would think the logical thing to do would be to first get a sense of who are ready to put some money on the tabel, then let these gents/ladies decide which would be the prefered option, and once that is agreed then go to Torres with a clear proposal and a fix number of orders if he accepts. The guy's running a Company, and as much as he must like the Lounge and the Loungers, I'm sure the amount of time he can spend on this project is limited.

So let's get our ducks in a row first...



Francois, you finally called things to order, my man ;-)))
04/24/2008 - 17:53

Please put me up on a sign-up list for:

1. the VC HL pin

2. HL BiRetro/Grands Explorateurs or a special QdI HL Date only model (both are great and since I would buy QdI anyway, why not make it a special HL edition...)

I'm happy we're on the same page! :-) (nt)
04/24/2008 - 21:43


You said it!
04/24/2008 - 18:39

I think the period of about 1-2 year for the watch, is a good estimate,

it's something that has to mature.

At the moment, QdI is THE watch I would also say, because if I'm sure of anything,

this watch will give the whole watch industry a real shake

It will set a standard for the watch design in the years ahead,

so I'll think it will be the choice anyhow!

But the risk is that the other watchindustry will copy this beautiful design,

quite fast and kill some of the unique feeling it has now.....

About the pin, I'm 100% with you, no Malteser Cross plainly,

I definitely will not be taken for wearing a masonic sign or catholic or whatever!

No a half like the buckle and perhaps elegant discret below

                          The Hour Lounge

I have said it before, this buckle is the only one that tells what is on the other side of the wrist.

A Vacheron Constantin !

That we can let the designers at VC help us with.

The meaning isn't that others shall be able to read it,

it's we ourself who, perhaps on a restaurant or in a subway,

should be happy to see someone else with the insignia !

Or get a question, and promote VC and HL, and our passion

I think we are on track again, it was dangerously near a derailing,

and becoming perpetual discussion object



Re: You said it!
04/24/2008 - 21:50

I like the idea of the half cross, like the buckle... In fact, same concept as for Dominic's cufflinks

I would however keep it as pure as possible, no other writing.

I like the idea of being "in the know" - those who don't know don't need to; those who know, don't need reminder...