Hello. I'm new here and I need some info. I have an aquaintance who is selling his VC watch. The problem is he lost all the papers for the watch, so I somehow need to check it's authenticity. The back of the watch reads Vacheron Constantin on the sides, on the top 733221 42005 18K and on the bottom Swiss Made. If anyone could verify this info, or direct me to a site where I can do this, thank you.
09/24/2008 - 21:44
So what you're trying to say is that your friend is an untrustworthy person, and you need to check up on him? You might try the Vacheron website, but they will need the numbers from the movement and case. Good luch and consider getting new friends!
Re: Authenticity?
09/24/2008 - 23:35
Greetings, Your friend definitely has a friend in you to help him/her out There's no doubt that papers get lost or thrown away making authentification more difficult. However, if you could take a few pics even with a phone/camera (as long as they wer in focus) or better yet with a real camera, even point and shoot and submit them, many, but not all the Loungers could help. Front and back photos are essential. If you can have a watchmaker/jeweller take the back off, and then get some pics of the inside of the back cover and the movement (use a macro setting), that would also help. But it might have an exhibition back. The 42005 is the Malte Dual-Time Regulator. There are pics on the VC website and many other sites. JB
Wasn't there someone else recently who also had a "friend"...
09/25/2008 - 02:17
with this same supposed watch?  Sigh... Duncan
Re: Wasn't there someone else recently who also had a "friend&quo
09/25/2008 - 02:28
There was a a short thread last January where someone wanted to know the cost of this watch. If its a legitimate enquiry, fine, there will be follow-up.  If not, that's fine too. I don't think anyone will lose any sleep one way or the other. Joseph
Agreed and thanks Joseph.
09/25/2008 - 05:58
Sometimes, I just wonder about all of these so-called friends and long lost uncles... I guess I am lucky that my friends and relatives don't give me watches.  Besides, i think I know what I like best... Cheers, Duncan
Amen to that! (NT)
09/25/2008 - 07:31
Why discuss values at all?
09/25/2008 - 20:18
I know this poster hasn't asked for a retail value (yet) but I'd be a lot happier if The Lounge had a policy, like another well-known watch forum, to prohibit questions on watch valuation.  That always seems to be the end purpose of "my uncle left me...." etc. The identification of models and movements can be fun if done for legit purposes.  Of course, pictures are a helpful starting point!
Re: Why discuss values at all?
09/26/2008 - 02:43
You raise an interesting question and perhaps Alex can share with us the official view from VC. As someone who was briefly associated with Horomundi, I can tell you that we had some discussions on this topic before settling on a policy of discussing official retail prices only. Unfortunately, many price discussions can be linked to traders, flippers, dealers and/or scam artists.  This is particularly, but not exclusively, true for newer timepieces.  As you know, most legtimate watch fora do not want to become variations of eBay and a haven for those looking to make a quick buck.  Therefore, they are quite restrictive on price/value discussions. My feeling with regards to VC and the Hour lounge is that they are in a slightly different position than your general watch forum.  Being brand specific, this site is obviously a lot narrower in scope and frankly speaking, VC does not attract the same degree of trading/flipping type of activities.  You would rarely see a frenzy as you would typically find with certain AP Royal Oak Offshores or some Panerai pieces.  On the vintage front, you encounter a lot of the heart and soul of VC.  There is a legitimate market for authentic vintage pieces and the vast majority of people really do not know what they are holding when they come across one.  As most of the world has no connection to high end horology, they need a starting point and being anonymous on the internet is much less intimidating than walking into a watch shop and making inquiries there. My feeling is that, while the majority of such posts are bogus in some respect, it is still a worthwhile topic to allow for those legitimate people with a genuine timepiece.  In some instances, we might be able to provide feedback that raises additional interest in the poster and he or she might eventually turn into a real fan and collector.  I believe that there is merit to allowing price/value discussions on the HL but only up to a point.  Thankfully, Alex and the members here seem more than savvy enough to filter the legitimate from the bogus.  I think that the self-mamanging environment that exists here is the best and currently thrives without the formal banning of such discussions.  We do need to put up with the occasional "long lost uncle" and "my best buddy" idiocy from time to time but that is a small price to pay for a free, open and fluid discussion forum. As always, just my two cents worth. Cheers, Duncan
Re: Re: Why discuss values at all?
09/26/2008 - 05:46
Hi Duncan, I was going to respond as well and you saved me a great deal of time (at your own expense). You must have been psychic since your thoughts very clearly mirrored my own on all points; but you said it more succinctly than I ever could. I agree completely with your sentiments and would just add that it costs nothing to be courteous even though it might be with some trepidation and a deep sigh of "Here we go again" You just never know who is on the other end of that email. Now I wondered, after reading your comments how they could be so close to my own...the only answer I could come up with was that Singapore is almost exactly 180 degrees longitude from Toronto. So your thought vibrations must have passed right through the Earth's centre into my own brain Regards, Joseph
The only rule VC has asked me to follow applies only to me and it is
09/26/2008 - 10:53
not to write "such and such watch is a piece of s**t" but rather " I find this watch inelegant". And I'm not even really kidding   To come back to the value discussions I think that they should be treated on a case by case basis, there is a huge difference between the uncle who gives fake watches, the dealer/flipper and the guy who is genuinely clueless on what he has and I believe the last category should be helped. I have a Panerai from 1998 with no idea of the ref n° and value and I posted my question on Paneristi last year to find aout more about it and the folks there were really helpful and friendly and I greatly appreciated that.  I would like the Lounge to be a friendly and open place to those who are discovering VC and are genuinely interested to know what they have and to ignore the fakes and flippers and often you know which category the poster falls into when you read the question.
I really agree with you Alex! We should consider the inquiries...
09/26/2008 - 12:10
and seperate the flippers from geniuine posters. I believe ths way we can still keep HL clean and open place!
Either that or perhaps we are twins separated at birth... :-)
09/27/2008 - 08:22
Does the fact that I was born and raised in New York have any impact on your explanation? Cheers, Duncan
Re: Authenticity?
09/28/2008 - 23:22
Thanks everyone for your replies. I've seen that some take this topic a little less serious than I would prefer. I can't consider myself a collector, but I have a couple of watches, a sporty Titanium Casio, and a gold plated Russian Vostok (which I inherited). I found the guy who sells the watch through someone I know, and I guess it's a one in a lifetime opportunity for me to get this VC (if it's a real VC) at a price I'd consider low. Here are some pictures, if they help in any way. Again, thanks for replying, and I'm waiting for some more replies, if possible. :)VC? FrontVC? Back
Re: Re: Authenticity?
09/28/2008 - 23:40
Thanks a lot everyone, there's no need to reply my last post. I've checked out the topic you guys are talking about, and I don't think it's the same watch, but they both definetely come from the same batch of cheap Chinese copies. I found a sit where they sell them by the hundreds, maybe. The site's in Romanian (so am I), and the prices are even lower than what I almost paid the guy for it. Thanks for stopping me, thanks a lot. :) Anyway, just for the sake of it, do you think it's worth paying the guy 10$ for it? (that would be cheaper than what the site sells them for) :) Thanks so much.
Re: Re: Re: Authenticity?
09/29/2008 - 02:55
I think that most of my fellow collectors will share my opinion that we are glad you found out that the watch is not an authentic VC.  If you feel that it is worth paying any money for a counterfeit timepiece, then you can certainly make that choice.  However, I doubt that any of the collectors will be encouraging you to do so. Duncan
+1thousand with you Duncan, no counterfeit
09/29/2008 - 19:00
even if the seller gives money!
09/30/2008 - 11:16
09/30/2008 - 20:31
Thanks for the great feedback everyone. And I'm not gonna buy it. I've decided to put the money into restoring my old Vostok. Cheers everyone, and thanks again.
09/30/2008 - 20:42
About that, it's actually a Wostok, not a Vostok. Does anyone have any info on those. I managed to find the web page for the company, but Wikipedia doesn't seem to know anything about them.
Vostok and Wostok are the same brand. Until the mid 90s
10/02/2008 - 00:51
 Vostok used Wostok for export (mostly to other Soviet countries), I believe that the W replaced the V for pronounciation purposes specially in Germany where the V is pronounced F.