Can anyone answer Doc on this ?

1880 Vacheron&Constantin registered The Malteser Cross,

and since that it's been the symbol of V&C.

Why and when started PP using it's cross, the calatrava cross,

as I know it was much later...?

Couldn't they have found any other symbol than a cross?

Do they want to be second every time?

Just curious?



the PP litterature I have is rather vague about this stating the brand
05/30/2008 - 14:51

adopted the Calatrava Cross symbol in the late 19th century.

"Couldn't they have found any other symbol than a cross?  Do they want to be second every time?" You crack me up Doc, your passion for V&C is contageous  

Re: the PP litterature I have is rather vague about this stating the brand
05/30/2008 - 17:18

Are you sure Doc's passion isn't as infectious as it is contaeous? 

What the heck, I think I'm coming down with a dose of it!

Now that I have it put together, I must admit he's right. Miki

YES ! I founf myself !!!
05/30/2008 - 17:04

Strangely it's not named in this book from Antiquorum

YES ! I found it myself !!!
05/30/2008 - 17:23

After some hours through these auctioncatalogues !

I found this book/catalogue

And there it is 1887..............

This book/catalogue from 1994 is a bit more read,

how comes

And as you see Vacheron&Constantin was first,

as always

As you see Vacheron&Constantin registrated it's trade mark 7 years before PP, had to do a bad copy.

This is what I have against PP, always making copies, sometimes, even I must admitt,

perhaps more elegant in workmanship,

but never first in design or ideas.

I think this is significant, if they should chose a symbol, why a cross ??

Why not anything else, a crown like Rolex, no, always looking at the big brother,

Vacheron&Constantin..lack of imagination

Yep, my heart beats for Vacheron&Constantin, but not just of emotinal, or principal reasons,

this is what I will illustrate with this little post



Excellent find Doc!! I always thought the two Crosses were a
05/30/2008 - 17:41

coincidence, that both had been registered more or less at the same time but a 7 year difference is huge!!!

Kudos to VC

But WHY?
05/30/2008 - 18:02

An interting question would be, why they went to a Maltese cross?

They had other logos such as a trident and even horseshoes.

Did somebody suddenly get religion?


Oficially its not a religious symbol but the torque regulator for the
05/30/2008 - 18:22

mainspring which is in the form of a Maltese cross.

Alex is completely right, of course :-)
05/30/2008 - 19:16

Please see my posts, 2 of them at 2008-04-28


Thanks, Alex,
05/30/2008 - 20:23

Yes I had seen that explanation before.

But my question whether it was a religious symbol or not (although many do interpret it as such), was why choose it.

They could have chosen an anchor escapement or something else. Breguet didn't choose on overcoil or a tourbillon as a logo although they were both Breguet designs.

Was there a particular reason for the choice, particularly when they already had previous logos?



the other logos came at a later date. I don't know why the
06/01/2008 - 13:03

choice of this element rather than others. Maybe because of its aesthetics...or maybe Constantin had just finished reading DaVinci Code?

Re: the other logos
06/01/2008 - 17:20

Merci Alex

Here's a page from Cologni's book, which I'm sure many have seen but it does illustrate the VC logos and their iterations over time.

brand name and logo
06/01/2008 - 23:47

Hi Joseph, before 1880 there had been different brand names and ways to write them but the first logo was the Maltese Cross, the horse shoe and trident came later. 

Very instructive thread, thank you guys!! :-) (nt)
06/01/2008 - 16:51