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Dear 'Loungers'.... I was asked to pull this together by one of our number last night and after a few drinks they persuaded me to do it. I was going to do it all by myself, but I thrive on pressure!

So, without further 'a-do' here are the "Patrimony Contemporaine Collection Excellence Platine 81180/000P-9220" and it's big brother the "Malte Perpetual Calendar Chronograph Collection Excellence Platine 47212/000P-9250".

Boy that's a mouthful (but at least accurate). Let's call them "Little" and "Large":- 



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"Little" was born alonside several othe PEC watches in 2006. A large (40mm) but thin case, without a compication. Pure in many ways:

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It uses the VC 1400 extra-thin (2.6mm) movement (not the 'ultra-thin' one, mind!), has a polished bezel surrounding the micro-grained (or sandblasted - for down to earth guys like me) platinum dial. The PT950 mark between 4 and 5 sets it apart from all the others in the 81180 set.

There are only 150 pieces of this watch, they all sold out like hot-cakes at launch, so it has taken a little while to track down, secure and be able to enjoy "little.

The 1400 has the hallmark of Geneva; the case is water-resistant to 30m and the watch has a normal 'tang' buckle - also Pt.


It's "Large" cousin by name and large by nature:-

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ooooh you've put on weight!

I absolutely adore the profile of the 47212. Come to think of it I adore almost everything about it (or why do I have it!). I have written on the 47212 before and made some notes there on what I would change (if only the pesky 'cabinotiers' folks wuld just liste to all my brilliant ideas!)


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This one, really is complicated. It's not Italian, it's Swiss!





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Look at that moody moon!

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You know, I really would have preferred square/rectangular pushers. Just sayin'

The 47212 has the 1141QP... which does not have the Geneva Seal. I am confident there is the same level of finishing as other VC watches that do have the seal... let's just say IP and JV and LIcensing do funny things to corporates...

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hours..minutes...small seconds (at 9)...chronograph...30-minute counter (at 3)...centre chronograph hand (in the middle!)...perpetual calendar (when it's wound up)...with date...dy of the week (these should be in blue ink... just sayin')...months...leap years and fanbloodydosey moon phase (in platinum, and still to this very day the bloomin' best looking moon disc in the whole wide....world.

The 1141QP moves about at a glacial 18,000 thingies (vph)... and has a dia. 27.0mm, height 7.37mm and inside leg of 32. I made the last bit up.

21 jewels...and about a rough vaugely accurate 48 hour reserve of power.

That fat case is 42mm baby. And it is heavy. There is a transparent case back glass crystal sapphire that will be transparent momentarily. The case is waterproof to 30m pressure too lke the "little".

It also sports the Pt950 between 4 and 5, painted external minute track...and  adouble folding clasp for the strap (blue - by the way,on both).

Of these, the number of the counting shall be 50. Not 49 or 51. Just 50. this one was a piece of cake to obtain. They had it in the shop. I bought it.


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Beautifully slim. The watch is OK too.


Those crowns are Pt too... of course. And the chrono pushers.


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It's not right to say which one I prefer. That's like asking if you love mummy or daddy more. They get equal wear. I don't set the QP every time I wear it though. Only if I'm going to see Alex! (Or Christian S...)




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I did have concerns about the crown and winding the 81180 - but it is a joy... no issue whatsoever.

Interestingly, the 47212 sits better on the wrist than the 81180. Neither as well as a Ploprof though - which is counterintuitive.

I don't hit doors, cars, walls, lamp-posts, children or pets with the 81180, and try as I might to avoid doing so with the 47212 I regularly fail and the kids shout back.

The 1141 ticks louder.

I don't miss a seconds hand... strangely it makes for a 'calmer' watch and lowers stress not having it there thrashing around in a pointless stubborn attempt to capture something that is intrinsically ethereal. Far better to glide as the swan. I know the 1400 is thrapping along under the water, but I don't need to see it either (though it is a marvelous and beautiful movement. Again, people have views on what is right or acceptable with larger cases and smaller movements).

There you are... my thoughts, musings and experince with the 2 very different watches, connected only because VC and I love PT. Lot's of PT. 

I am, unashamedly, very proud of both pieces and think they complement one another very well at the opposite ends of the spectrum of complication... I hope you also appreciate them both - they are rarely seen out together!

I really really hope I don't like the new PEC watch(es)! No, that's a lie too....

Gary
a fantastic write up on 2 masterpieces!! Thanks for a great article, I
07/19/2013 - 16:38
would be happy with any of the 2 on my wrist wink
You should be proud.....
07/19/2013 - 16:53
they are both divine! For me I love 47212..... Congratulations
1 word : stunning! (nt)
07/19/2013 - 18:31
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Two of my favorites
07/19/2013 - 19:44
You should be very proud of these indeed.  You know how I feel about the 88180.  But in truth, the 47212 EP is probably the VC I covet the most, short of a minute repeater.  You are greedy for platinum...and I can respect that.  wink All best, Robert
Beautiful collection and excellent article. Lovely photography...
07/19/2013 - 19:58
You are indeed very lucky to own these two pieces.
Art Deco vs Baroque
07/19/2013 - 21:40
Two very different styles, and both so delicious in their own right heart.  Thanks for this great comparo Gary - I think you've hit on a desirable change for the next iteration - the QP would look even better with rounded rectangular pushers yes.
Thanks Gary, very much!
07/20/2013 - 01:22
That was a very good personalised review of those two fabulous watches. You are a very fortunate individual to have them both. Congratulations and wear them in the very best of health. Joseph
Thanks for a wonderful and unique perspective in views and
07/20/2013 - 03:56
Verse! I must also thank you for all that white metal. You rock. Best, Tim
I too enjoyed your review...
07/20/2013 - 13:28
Gary, you have two beautiful pieces that speak for themselves. However, your copy plus a nice selection of rather good photographs wrapped everything up beautifully.yes I propose a toast to 'Little' & 'Large'! Clearly, you'll be in good company either way.    Tonywink
Top of their class - both of them
07/20/2013 - 14:46
I can't think of a better QP Chrono, nor a better dress watch that VC has ever made.  Congrats and thanks for the write-up/photos.
Fun review!
07/20/2013 - 18:22
I enjoyed your comparison. I've had these two watches side-by-side as well, but found the Patrimony Contemporaine to be the better fit on my wrist. The next EP watches is going to be bigger even than Large! ;-) Bill
Re: Fun review!
07/21/2013 - 00:56
hey Bill,  thanks for the little hint on the next EP - based on what you said, I'll be crossing my fingers to see the Patrimony 14 day tourbillon join the EP family... Funny stat Gary and I were discussing a few days back: currently, 50% of the EP models are based on the Patrimony contemporaine: Original Patrimony Contemporaine, the newest 42mm model, and the pocket watch version vs. Malte Chrono, Malte QP Chrono, and the 2253 (unless we're forgetting a model..) Cheers,  Francois
Another EP
07/21/2013 - 05:15
Was the Malte Tourbillon Regulator, which came out the same time as the 47212. VC also made a one-off Malte Tourbillon for an Only Watch auction. Don't forget the Retrograding Day and Date fom the Contemporaine collection. It's been a good run. :-) Bill
I stand corrected :-)
07/21/2013 - 12:47
I guess I'm getting old...wink Cheers, Francois
One for the Recommended Threads...
07/21/2013 - 00:48
...in my humble opinion... Awesome write-up, thanks Gary for taking on my request! I thoroughly enjoyed your post  - you do have the 2 top EP pieces... The Patrimony Contemporaine is missing from my collection, and the EP dial is the one that suits the watch the best. Enjoy my friend... 
it already has been added! :-)
07/22/2013 - 17:46
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Awesome!!
07/24/2013 - 01:46
two absolutely gorgeous pieces... I want them both!! Agree with you on not missing the seconds hand - Same feeling on my AP 5402...  thanks for sharing.