A "Chronometre Royal" ... or not ...

Seen for sale that watch ( on chrono24 you will find it )

Caliber is certainly a P1008BS, I can't see the number bur surely 50920X, that is alright for a CR.

Case number 351155 ...  well ok... but if the cylindrical part doesn't shock me, the lugs are quite surprisingm reminding some later references...

Now hands and dial are not what is normally associated with "Chronometre Royal" , I would suppose this is a franken coming with different parts especially for ahnds and dial... but that case? is there any reference with that sort of case?


A "Chronometre Royal" ... or not ...

A "Chronometre Royal" ... or not ...A "Chronometre Royal" ... or not ...


 (finally thanks for your help Alex ! )

Re: A "Chronometre Royal" ... or not ...
07/07/2014 - 11:12

the hands aren't CR hands but you need to give the case and movement numbers to check.

I'm not sure I have seen this case before either

PS: C'mon François don't just put links, upload the photos please cheeky

Alex, I sent you the numbers over the weekend...
07/07/2014 - 16:13

Francois, check this reply to Robert in the original thread for an update: http://www.thehourlounge.com/en/vacheron-constantin-discussions/and-some-questions-cr-experts-613996?entire_thread=1#reply-614744.

The "subscribe" feature should help keep the discussion on track, but I cannot subscribe to the original thread... get "access denied" frown

Oops didn't see the later answers
07/07/2014 - 18:32

But yes this piece put some questions on the table.

THanks Alex
07/07/2014 - 18:30

already given the case number, now I have succeded to post on the new platform yes I think I can upload photos next time, sorry for the trouble. blush

I've seen this watch before on Chrono24 as well
07/07/2014 - 16:31

I would not be surprised if the case and movement match.  I wasn't sure about the dial at first...but now I think it may be correct.  I've only seen chronometers (and not just CRs) with markers that go down to 1/5 of a second.

The hands bother me, as I only expect Alpha hands on a CR from that time period.

BR, Dan

Re: I've seen this watch before on Chrono24 as well
07/07/2014 - 18:37

hmm hands are also for me problematic, the Alpha are very typical of CR in that period (with the special counterweight shape), I do not have another example in mind.

And if the hands are not original, then there is a strong doubt on the dial, and the dial is also typical of the CR, there are some rare exceptions of black dial and guilloche but this is excessively rare. And here not a guilloche or a black dial, juste another dial different for the typical CR dial. 

Hands imho not correct, dial very doubtful or later addition and all this combined with that surprising case...

I don't say it's all bad but I prefer to stay suspicious for the moment :)


Re: Re: I've seen this watch before on Chrono24 as well
07/07/2014 - 19:54

I have never seen that type of dial or hands on a CR.

In fact, when I first saw it I thought it was a Girard Perregaux. That design including the font for the numerals and hands is quite typical for vintage and even some newer GP's.

I know it says "Vacheron & Constantin", but.......


it is a Chronometre Royal from 1958 but
07/08/2014 - 16:54

I'm almost certain that the hands are not correct

Good to know we have two variations of the CR 6075
07/08/2014 - 22:43

one with bracelet and one without, both with same reference number.  Thanks so much, Alex.