Fabriqué pour Vacheron Constantin which watchmaker and which caliber ?

I have a 18k gold pocket watch signed "Fabriqué pour Vacheron Constantin".
I have read all articles on forum that give information about "fabrique pour Vacheron Constantin" watches but i've never found my movement.
Does anyone know who is the watchmaker of my pocket watch and what is the caliber of the movement ?
Thanks a lot

Fabriqué pour Vacheron Constantin which watchmaker and which caliber ?
Fabriqué pour Vacheron Constantin which watchmaker and which caliber ?
Can you please post larger pics?
03/23/2014 - 03:05
Very interesting caliber, I'd certainly like to see a larger photo to admire the details smiley
Re: Can you please post larger pics?
03/23/2014 - 23:52
Hello, Larger picture :-) Thanks
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03/23/2014 - 23:58
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03/24/2014 - 03:59
You might also be interested in this thread which shows another such watch, this time in silver. The case is hallmarked but the movement. The design of the bridges in these "pour V&C" is the same in all that I've seen. This one has the brand "Astral" which was a registered Vacheron brand. The thread is from a French site, so you you have no problem following it.http://placedelours.superforum.fr/t14458-gousset-a-identifier Thanks for sharing. JB
That's a real find, Joseph!
03/24/2014 - 17:14
Another fascinating Fabrique Pour watch heart.  According to the references, ASTRAL was trademarked by V&C in 1895 and the dedication of this watch being 1912 puts the movement from the Brandt et Hofmann period.  Interesting that "Astral" was engraved in a different font, I presume by another party than those who did the traditional "Vacheron & Constantin" engraving on the cuvette.   IIRC, the repeater ebauche from Kent's watch was supplied by Mathey-Tissot, but for the most part the time-only movements that have come up seem to be from Orion.  Alex listed several other makers but those are proving to be very elusive.
Re: That's a real find, Joseph!
03/26/2014 - 15:44
Hello, I collect watches for 20 years but now I want to keep only the most beautiful models. Do you consider that a "fabriqué pour vacheron constantin" watch is a watch that is worth to integrate a collection near repeater pocket watches, longines or omega ones or is it fairly common? Thank you again for your replies Best regards Gregory
Fabrique Pour V&C worth collecting?
03/27/2014 - 19:02
Perhaps this topic deserves it's own thread.  I don't have any of the Fabrique Pour watches in my cabinet but do have a "star Vacheron" enamel dial like the one on your piece.  I can admire the finish on some examples (such as Kent's) and if you check this post; Mathey-Tissot of Neuchatel, you'll see there was even a repeater under the Fabrique Pour label! I think this sub-genre provides a good entry point to collecting V&C, or can add an interesting diversion for the established collector.  From a value point-of-view, however, I'm not so confident sad.  Would love to hear from others, though...
As I have one, I would say they may be worth collecting, with Caveats:
04/01/2014 - 17:25
1. Knowing the difference between VC and Fabrique Pour VC.  As I have no problems with ebauches made by others for use in VC watches, I also have no problem with Fabrique Pour...as long as it is sold and priced as such. 2. The quality of the different makers of FP VC watches seem to vary in terms of movement quality to me.  This would cause me concern, so I would only pick what I believed to be the best quality movements out of the bunch. I was quite surprised when I first found out that there are FP minute repeaters, and I thought the movement quality looked pretty good.  I would be quite curious to see the quality standards required by VC at that time in order to qualify as a FP VC watch. 3.  As with non-round watches, I think a FP VC (or Astral, Trident, etc.) would be quite interesting for the VC collector as it is part of VC's history.  But I think it would only be attractive today as an additional time piece, not as a first or second VC watch in starting a collection. What thoughts do other Loungers have about this? BR, Dan
Exactly as I would have phrased it if I had the flair for English....
04/01/2014 - 17:53
you have smiley The movement in your minute repeater is gorgeous yes
Thank you Kent!
04/02/2014 - 07:44
I am always amazed by the watches you show us from your collection, as well as the reference material that we love here at THL! heart I have a very strong felling there are more wonders in your collection, and I look forward to admiring them at your convenience. angel BR, Dan
If the watch...
03/28/2014 - 21:28
is well made, as it appears, is clean and functions well and you get somw pleasure out of it, the you should keep it. There are many beautiful watches from that period which are anonymous. There was still a "cottage industry" that was quite active in producing watches at that time, although greatly diminished. And many fine watches were produced independently. Regards, Joseph
Great, that helps
03/24/2014 - 01:26
I hope you found this earlier post: Fabrique Pour Vacheron Constantin.  Your movement is a variation of this Orion caliber: The Fabrique Pour line originated circa 1906 with several Swiss makers contracted to provide completed watches.  Your movement displays both the maker's serial number below the balance wheel, and V&C's number 103182. What I find very interesting about your watch is the "VACHERON" logo on dial and movement, surrounded by four stars.  This trademark was registered by V&C in 1880 during a period when they registered several unusual logos for their second quality timepieces, including horseshoes and a trident!  Your watch is the first example I've seen of this label on a Fabrique Pour watch, which typically had anonymous dials and movements and only the engraved cuvette. Thank-you for sharing this interesting watch and providing another piece to the puzzle that is Vacheron & Constantin yes.
Now I have to correct my own post
03/24/2014 - 01:41
blush  I have, in fact, seen similarly marked Fabrique Pour watches, and posted some details here: "Star Vacheron" 2nd quality to add.  As well, Kent posted a marvelous Fabrique Pour watch with Orion (then known as Brandt et Hofmann) movement that actually had "Vacheron & Constantin" engraved on a bridge: Fabrique Pour Vacheron & Constantin pocket watch from 1910.
Re: Great, that helps
03/24/2014 - 12:07
Hello and many thanks for all information. it is really a pleasure to share my watch on the forum have a good day