Fabrique Pour V&C Car Clock

Last week someone presented an unusual brass-cased V&C movement and we wondered if it was a car clock.  Various clues suggested it was not, however, I have since found internet pictures of an actual "Fabrique Pour Vacheron & Constantin" dashboard clock.  Just another tidbit for the database!

Fabrique Pour V&C Car Clock

Fabrique Pour V&C Car Clock

Fabrique Pour V&C Car Clock

Any help identifying the anonymous Swiss maker would be appreciated.  This piece would have dropped into a brass holder mounted on the face of an early automobile dashboard and was removeable for winding.
This is where the Recommended Threads section comes handy, the answer
02/08/2011 - 17:57
is right here: click here  The Fabriquée pour Vacheron Constantin" watches  had movements from makers specially selected by VC and which were sold via the VC boutique in Geneva probably starting 1906. In a letter from 1917, Charles Constantin writes: " All our clients can not afford a Vacheron Constantin watch and not wanting to sell brands other than our own, this intelligent solution has been of great service to us..." Here are the purveyors of movements for the "Fabriquée pour Vacheron Constantin models": Brandt et Hoffmann from Bienne /Biel Mathey Tissot & Cie from Ponts de Martel Georges Jules Sandoz from La Chaux de Fonds H Moser & Cie from Le Locle (who also made a number of the Corps of Engineer watches) Kurth frères from Granges Schild Frères & Co from Granges
V&C "Second Quality" Watches
02/09/2011 - 01:38
Thanks for the reminder Alex .  I was being lazy to hope that someone would ID the maker, but I got lucky early in my search.  The movement appears very similar in style to those by Sandoz, which makes sense as they were probably the largest supplier of Swiss-made car clocks. The subject of what V&C referred to as their "second quality" watches is another great topic.  During the 19th century V&C did not associate themselves with their discount lines and used other trade names like Merimont in the USA and Girod-Collomby elsewhere.  By the early 20th century, they were less shy and Fabrique Pour Vacheron & Constantin made an appearance.  
Merimont clarification
02/09/2011 - 17:31
Having examined quite a few photos of Merimont-branded movements now, I believe they were not intended as "second quality" pieces.  In terms of finish and construction, they are equal to V&C of the period.  In fact, there are a few movements co-branded Merimont and Vacheron & Constantin.  This name was only used in the American market and may have been for importation purposes, as suggested by it's seperate incorporation as the Merimont Watch Co. 
Thanks for the interesting thread guys!
02/09/2011 - 11:34
I learn something interesting everyday!   Unfortunately, I seem to forget at an even faster pace... Best regards, Kazumi
not to forget Trident, a sub brand used by VC starting 1902 selling
02/09/2011 - 12:04
"cheaper" watches  
More "Second Quality" V&C Names
02/09/2011 - 17:18
Thanks for those photos...love that box for the clock.  As referenced in The Art of Vacheron Constantin, we can add the Horseshoe symbol which appeared in 1883 for the American market but was not registered.  Apparently, the Trident symbol followed in 1884 even though the name TRIDENT wasn't registered until 1902. This would be the complete list of their self-proclaimed "second quality" watches: Girod-Colombey (1819) Vacheron & Cie (1819) Freres Desart (1819) Isaac Soret (1820) Abraham Vacheron Girod (1822) *Horseshoes symbol (1883) *Trident symbol (1884) Astral (1895) Trident (1902)
Re: More "Second Quality" V&C Names
02/09/2011 - 18:47
Thanks for a fascinating thread, guys. Now those symbols in the list of V&C logos makes a lot more sense. Regards, Joseph
This post should go into "Recommended Threads"
02/10/2011 - 09:23
It has great reference info, and as JB states - definitely makes the interesting names and trademarks used throughout VC's history more understandable. BR, Dan
"Star Vacheron" 2nd quality to add
08/20/2013 - 18:35
To update this thread, I'd like to add the distinctive "Star VACHERON" line of 2nd quality timepieces.  The symbol was trademarked by V&C in 1880 according to Antiquorum's Art of Vacheron Constantin. I've yet to find a complete watch with this dial.  The few movement photos that I've found on the 'net revealed Orion calibers; a maker we've seen with other V&C's 2nd quality offerings.  With these pieces, the dial has been plain but the case marked V&C.