Help with ref.


Could I get some help on checking which ref. the following case number 355565 and movement number 515876 belongs to? It looks like a 6161 to me, but I am not certain. The caliber is a 454/5b.




Hi John, Ref. 6161 is a Chronometre Royale with qtr. Maltese Cross lugs
03/29/2016 - 15:22

If the watch your looking at has a cal. 454/5b then it not a CR.  There are other Ref #s that have this movement and use those lugs - so it will look similar, but it shouldn't be 6161.

Alex can get you information on your watch in question, including its Ref. #.

BR, Dan 

Re: Hi John, Ref. 6161 is a Chronometre Royale with qtr. Maltese Cross lugs
03/29/2016 - 18:51

Thanks Dan

You are right. 


03/29/2016 - 22:03

It looks like this watch. Never seen these hands before.


That dial looks wrong!
03/29/2016 - 23:10
Re: That dial looks wrong!
03/29/2016 - 23:18

Hi Alex

In what way?  And does the case and movement numbers give any answers?





Look at the Dial on an earlier discussion
03/30/2016 - 12:20

Take a look at an earlier discussion here at The Hour Lounge Look carefully at the face of that one compared to this one.


ref 6105
03/30/2016 - 13:47


Just got a 1955 catalogue from a collector here in Denmark, at it very much seems like it is a ref 6105 where the markers has been mounted pourly after service.




To be on the safe side...
03/31/2016 - 03:11


Take a look at Dean's article just in case. Here.


03/31/2016 - 22:22

Thanks everybody for your input


I will stay far away from this watch indecision



And this appears...
04/01/2016 - 17:48

Hodinkee's hilighting a 4838 with papers:

No connection.

Re: And this appears...
04/02/2016 - 18:43
Greater forces
04/02/2016 - 19:46

Hodinkee article was posted April 1th  :-)



Re: Greater forces
04/03/2016 - 13:53

Hi folks,

This watch is real and was purchased from the family of the original owner. The dial has not been changed and is quite rare with its tritium dots.

Here is a (pretty bad) picture before it went to the watchmaker, to show the difference on two different ref. 4838.

Best regards,


Beautiful watches and great picture Berny
04/03/2016 - 13:58

You know I want one, but know watch funds right now crying  BR, Dan

Re: Beautiful watches and great picture Berny
04/03/2016 - 15:04

Thanks, Dan

finally got it back from the watchmaker...
04/08/2016 - 03:21
You are KILLING ME, my friend :-( ;-) (nt)
04/08/2016 - 03:34