Impatient to share :-)

I got this at a Geneva auction and our dear leader helped me bring it to Hong Kong.  I'm in the subway right now and couldn't resist taking a quick pic and showing a wristshot smiley

The huge lugs and black dial are what made me do it.  Has a round cal 458.  (I now have both a round and a tonneau VC cal 458.  NO idea why VC would use the same number for two markedly different movements)

Impatient to share :-)

Cool Watch and Cool Story
05/30/2016 - 11:10


That's a great-looking watch and interesting story—perhaps even a rare one; the same calibre number on both a round and tonneau movement. Something new everyday about watches! That is so Dr. No!


Thanks Bill (nt)
05/30/2016 - 23:50
that looks sooooooo good :-) congrats my friend
05/30/2016 - 11:16


Another wristshot
05/30/2016 - 13:52

Another wristshot

05/30/2016 - 14:15


Thanks (nt)
05/30/2016 - 23:51
Superb dial
05/30/2016 - 15:39

and lugs!  Congratulations, you tease devil.  More details please...what reference?  Looks to be a good size too yes.  I believe the tonneau caliber is older and perhaps discontinued when the round movement was introduced with the JLC merger.

Thanks Dean
05/31/2016 - 00:34

It's a Ref. 4661 from 1951, and yes it should be considered an XXL at 37.5mm smiley

You are right, the older tonneau cal. 458 is the beautiful, pre-JLC, 6-bridge movement that I first saw in a watch JB showed us.  I had to get one:

Thanks Dean




The newer round cal. 458 is based on a JLC ebauche (don't know the number though).  I haven't opened up the watch myself yet, but here is a picture provided by the auction house:

Thanks Dean

As you can see this is the /3b version, with ttee usual circular micro-regulating system.  It's sistter is the central secconds cal.466//3b.

aka the "pitchfork" caliber
06/01/2016 - 15:22


I love 458
06/02/2016 - 05:44

Hello Dan.

Both are beautiful.

I think the round 458 is based on JLC 449.



Thanks io.
06/02/2016 - 08:03

I think VC's cal 453/454 are based on the JLC cal 449.  This is the large, 12.5 ligne (28.80mm) movement.

VC's cal 458/466 are small, only 9 ligne (20.60mm) in size.  

Size is different, but the architecture looks very similar.

BR, Dan 

An interesting base movement
06/02/2016 - 15:32

according to V&C's catalogue de fournitures, the 458 (sub-secs) and 466 (center secs) movements were based upon their 9-ligne 457 cushion-shaped movement!

An interesting base movement

I can't find a reference to a similar Jaeger-LeCoultre caliber.  Anyone?

This group of related calibres is interesting.
06/02/2016 - 16:27

My records/database is not complete or 100% confirmed accurate, but it shows that there were both tonneau and round VC cal 458 and 466 movements.  The round movements are 9 ligne and the tonneau movements are 7 ligne.  

There were descriptions of cal. 457 that state tonneau and cushion shaped versions, 9 ligne.  Taking a cushion case as the base ebauche for a round movement does seem unusual, but I guess the wheel train and escapement were common?

Thanks Dean for pointing this out.

YG case and Black dial stays still an elegant combination
05/30/2016 - 16:44

Congratulations Daniel.

Please share a photo together with your Tonneau shape model.

Enjoy your new VC.



Thanks Liger, I just posted pictures of both movements under Dean's post
05/31/2016 - 01:33

And now I have more strap decisions to make! wink

Re: Impatient to share :-)
05/30/2016 - 23:54

Congratulations, Dan.

A very nice-looking piece.

Very masculine case; looks to be a nice size too.

Some photos of the movement when you get a chance.

Wear it in the best of health!


Thanks JB!
05/31/2016 - 01:37

I just posted a movement picture by the auction house, but will post my own after I open her up smiley.

But be warned, it is a tiny 9 ligne movement in a huge case, so there is a huge metal spacer.  I knew this going in so it doesn't bother me.  You can tell by how high the sub-seconds dial is located. :-)

BR, Dan

looks absolutely handsome on your wrist, Dan!
05/31/2016 - 15:41

Sort of reminds me of the more contemporary (pun intended) elusive employee Patrimony, doesn't it?

Thanks Radek! And yes it does remind me of the Employee 250th Anniversary watch.
06/01/2016 - 00:34

I didn't realize it before, but you're right!  yes  good to see you here, I think it's been awhile? 

The lugs are sensational and...
06/01/2016 - 19:08

make for a nice contrast with the dainty hands. A winner!wink

Thanks Edu! (nt)
06/02/2016 - 10:24