Introducing the new Patrimony Traditionnelle Automatic with cal 1120

Vacheron Constantin launches a new model in the Patrimony Traditionnelle line: 41mm rose gold case (7.26 thichness) housing the automatic cal 1120.

This new model meets the new Geneva Seal that are no longer confined exclusively to the movement, but also take the entire finished watch into account.




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Introducing the new Patrimony Traditionnelle Automatic with cal 1120

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Reference                                  43075/000R-9737 Patrimony Traditionnelle Self-winding stamped with the Hallmark of Geneva

Calibre                                      1120, developed and crafted by Vacheron Constantin                                              

Energy                                       Self-winding                                               

Movement diameter                  28.40 mm (12’’’ ½)

Movement thickness                 2.45 mm

Jewelling                                 36    

Number of parts                      144

Frequency                               2.75Hz (19’800 vibrations per hour)



Indications                              Hours, minutes

Power reserve                        Approximately 40 hours

Case                                       18K 5N pink gold 41mm diameter and 7.26mm thick

                                               Transparent sapphire crystal caseback                                            

Water Resistance                   Tested at a pressure of 3 bar (approx. 30 metres)

Dial                                         Silvered opaline dial, black-painted indications minute-track

                                               18K 5N gold hands and hour-markers                                            

Strap                                      Brown Mississippiensis alligator leather, large square scales, hand-sewn, saddle-finish

Clasp                                      18K 5N pink gold Polished half Maltese Cross

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Doc
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Doc
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Re: Introducing the new Patrimony Traditionnelle Automatic with cal 1120
09/28/2012 - 13:05
What a beauty ! Gorgeous piece. Could spend hours staring at that movement.
Re: Introducing the new Patrimony Traditionnelle Automatic with cal 1120
09/28/2012 - 14:43
Alex, at some stage could you arrange to have a photo taken with the traditionelle automatic with date, small seconds manual, and now this with 1120 taken together? Interesting traditionlle trilogy.
good idea, I'll see if I can organise that
09/28/2012 - 19:14
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Re: Introducing the new Patrimony Traditionnelle Automatic with cal 1120
09/28/2012 - 15:50
What a classy piece! Is VC going to introduce a platinum edition in the future?
Re: Introducing the new Patrimony Traditionnelle Automatic with cal 1120
09/28/2012 - 17:00
Its so good, looks good enough to eat! Beautiful and amazing.
Looks good, Any pics with a wrist? (nt)
09/28/2012 - 17:41
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I hope this is ok
09/28/2012 - 18:00
Alex, please delete if it is not. Taken on the fly, so not the best shot, I'm afraid. Best, Robert
Thanks Robert, is the best way to have an idea of how it looks like
09/28/2012 - 18:15
with a human approach (and not the superb professionnal pics...)
At Last!
09/28/2012 - 17:51
OMG, you don't know how hard it was to resist the AP that came out earlier blush.  A classically understated piece, yet VC to the marrow, with a real kicker revealed on the reverse.  What is the retail please?
Cal. 1120 - Question
09/28/2012 - 18:06
Beautiful classic watch with one of the great movements of all time. I do have a question about this version, however. When did VC begin using the Gyromax balance and is it now used in all models that use the 1120? I ask because neither of my watches with the 1120 (43031 from 1986 and 43041 from 2000) use the Gyromax. At one time it was only used in the PP version of the movement.
I think...
09/28/2012 - 18:24
Mike I think VC started using the Gyromax (again) with the introduction of the Patrimony Contemporaine Self Winding (42mm) in 2011.  Perhaps someone can correct me on this if I am wrong. Robert 
Respo is correct, the Gyromax was used with the relaunch of
09/28/2012 - 18:27
cal 1120 in 2011 with the Historiques 1968, the Patrimony Contemporaine automatic (limited edition) and the Patrimony Contemporaine Perpetual Calendar. It was also first used in the late 60s til mid 70s.
Thanks Robert and Alex! nt
09/28/2012 - 19:01
nt
To put a more definite time on Alex's post....
09/29/2012 - 08:43
..... the VC 1120 / AP 2120 was introduced in 1967 with the Gyromax balance.  I think in 1974 they switched.   AP now owns the rights and tooling to the 2120.  It was part of the agreement with Richemont to sell their interest in JLC.  My question is does AP send VC finished movements or ebauchès to be finished at the old Haute de Gamme manufacture which VC now owns?  I see "1120, developed and crafted by Vacheron Constantin" in the description so VC must do a lot of finishing work, but the word 'developed' is stretching the truth a bit.  Actually, JLC developed it and AP now makes it.   Either way, that's an excellent watch.  It's the definition of less is more.  
No movement assembly is done at the vallée du joux anymore as VC's
09/29/2012 - 11:17
Inhouse movements need the Geneva Seal and for that the movement needs to be assembled in Geneva. The vallée workshops are now called VCVJ VC recieves the raw ebauches then makes all the modifications for the movement to be Geneva Seal compliant, finish and assembly are then done inhouse
Re: Introducing the new Patrimony Traditionnelle Automatic with cal 1120
09/28/2012 - 18:49
Alex, A beautifully elegant time-only watch! Almost as nice as my Cabinotier wink I always like the sword hands since I saw them on the Malte Chrono. The lugs remind me of the 1755 Jubilee. Pristine dial, very VC. The movement looks fabulous. I would like to see a rose gold rotor (personal pref.) I'm really looking forward to seeing this! Joseph
Interesting follow-up to the ref 43178
09/28/2012 - 20:41
Thanks Alex for this. I find this piece quite attractive (especially looking at Robert's wrist-shot). Although I am not a big fan of the bigger case-size (only seeing it in the flesh will provide certainty), but nonetheless a stunning simple piece. I wonder what the rationale was for having a non-skeleton version of the 43178 rather than go for a perpetual calanedar traditionelle (non-skeletonised) using the Cal. 1120? Or is it simply that people saw the 43178 and asked for a non-skeletonised version housing the cal 1120? Finally, will we see a WG version rolled out soon (maybe SIHH 2014 as has been the case in the past)? Also, any ideas about the estimated price? Sorry too many questions! Best, Walid
Re: Interesting follow-up to the ref 43178
09/28/2012 - 21:12
VC already launched a Patrimony Traditionelle QP Geneva Boutique with Calibre 1126 QPR, limited to ED pieces. I think this piece is not a follow up. It just seemed right. Many wanted the traditionelle without seceonds dial and without date, and this is the answer. I think it will be a big hit. If I didn't have my Traditionelle Manual with Calibre 4400, I would consider this.
As KK said there is already a non skeleton perpetual in the Patrimony
09/29/2012 - 11:12
Contemporaine range. I think thé rationale was to offer an automatic Pat Trad with out date in a slimmer case as skeleton models are not to everyone's tastes....or wallets :-)
VC means business!
09/28/2012 - 22:28
Large size provides "presence", while long indices make the dial "tight" despite the time only display (sounds like the Contemporaine!).enlightened Kick-a_s cal. 1120 with gyromax.heartheartheart Looks like we have a winner here!yes Looking forward to seeing more. All the best, Kazumidevil
Right on, Kaz! Nice watch and even a nicer movement...
09/28/2012 - 22:38
The carved-out Maltese cross emblem on the rotor really does it for me ;-)
I love this movement and the watch!
09/29/2012 - 02:16
I'm glad to see the cal 1120 come with a display back, to show off the Gyromax balance that it was originally designed to use!heart I have a question about the timing requirements that this watch has.  Since it carries the new Geneva Seal, that means it has finishing requirements for the entire watch and a timing requirement, correct?  I'm just wondering what type of timing requirement is set for a watch with a seconds hand?  Is it the same as those with a seconds hand indicator? BR, Dan
Great question Dan
09/29/2012 - 19:18
Never considered that issue!  Looking forward to the answer smiley
Duh...
09/29/2012 - 21:51
Not enough coffee this morning frown. Timing machines work off the amplified beats of the escape mechanism...nothing to do with the hands.
Hi Dean, I was just curious
09/30/2012 - 00:23
I have 2 VCs without second hand indicators, one of which uses a cal 1120.  I was just wondering about the requirements / needs for a watch that doesn't have to be accurate to the second, or can even be measured to that level of granularity during regular use (i.e., without the use of a timing machine). I believe VC treats it like they do the finishing of movement parts that are never seen by anybody but a watchmaker.  smiley. In other words, as VC will finish unseen areas as well as the visible areas...I think VC will regulate these watches to their normal, high, standards as their watches with second hand indicators. Just thought I'd ask the question to be sure. BR, Dan
I'm glad the secret is out!
09/29/2012 - 03:08
After seeing this piece and trying it on in Philadelphia at the Watchtime show, I really wanted to say more but felt it important to respect Vacheron's embargo. All I can say is the piece is a winner. It wears beautifully. I was wearing my Patrimony Contemporaine and holding the two watches side to side is enlightening. Both have a 40 mm case yet the new Traditionelle automatic  wears smaller. The thicker bezel and dial allow the watch to appear "classical" while maintaining more modern proportions. This watch is  perfect for someone who loves a traditional elegant watch but wants a more contempory presence. And the movement is spectacular, a real beauty. Regards, Dan  
Re: Introducing the new Patrimony Traditionnelle Automatic with cal 1120
09/29/2012 - 04:58
Looks fantastic ... really looking forward to seeing it in person, hopefully soon!
A display back worth of fireworks! Whew...
09/29/2012 - 06:08
Gorgeous and robust mov't...well done VC!  
Clever use of the rotor to minimise blocking of the movement,
09/29/2012 - 07:20
which I hope to take a closer look at in actual wink Melvin
Re: Introducing the new Patrimony Traditionnelle Automatic with cal 1120
09/29/2012 - 10:22
Wonderful watch !
Back to basic.
09/29/2012 - 12:02
Simple. Clean. Would be interesting produced in WG also steel. Must be many who doesn't want an OS and this nice watch, could be an alternative. Cheers Doc
Steel would be interesting
09/29/2012 - 19:20
Hey Doc!  Yes indeed, steel would be a very interesting variant.
the best of both worlds in this watch...
09/29/2012 - 13:00
of the convenience of a self-winding watch and a beautiful movement to appreciate. and in my opinion, this watch is simple but perfected.
very nice...
09/29/2012 - 16:11
if it was 36mm maximum 38mmm sorry Alex, I am a bit fed up with the watch sizes nowadays. Otherwise, beautiful case and dial as usual, and fantastic movement and finishing as it looks on photos. Hope it will sell well
+ 1.
09/29/2012 - 16:43
so beautiful and elegant, but anything over 38 is not to my taste. OTOH, if compared to some of the 44-46 monsters from some high-end firms, 40 seems shy......
Firstly, it's good to see DOC in the Lounge...
09/29/2012 - 20:26
Hopefully, he is feeling better and on the road to a full recoveryyes. The watch - utterly simple, tasteful and beautiful. Congratulations to the design team - well done! Tony
Tony, big brother,
10/03/2012 - 01:34
old docs don't die, you have to kill them smiley Still it's a simple watch, in the words finest meaning,  which I always likes! I also like down sizing, as I predicted for years! This in STEEL, yes some WG to, but even though it's a Rolex it's : vintage classic slips under the cuuf keep time perfetly +- 1 sec. per month! 36 mm V&C can't offer me that .... yet, but this is a big step in right direction yes This is the V&C that was  most nice to wer of all I have had... 32 mm in diameter! Still very elegant at my quite normal wrist for a thin 176 cm tall person! But I'm hooked on steel nowblush Cheers Doc
Calibre 1120/3
09/29/2012 - 20:39
Alex, I see this movement is marked as 1120/3 vs the 1120 from Les Historiques 1968 - does this denote its GS status or something else?  Recalling the new 1003/3 movement, was there ever a /2 version of either?
1003/2
09/29/2012 - 21:15
I have seen two watches with cal 1003/2. I believe there are many more. None of the two I have seen has the Geneva hallmark. I was very suprised to see that. Hope this is helpful. The movement number has six digits. I have wiped out the four of them in this photo. Yours sincerely Kent
1120/2 check out Ref. 43039.
09/29/2012 - 21:20
Yours sincerely Kent
Super Ken, thanks!
09/29/2012 - 22:03
I didn't have a single picture of the 1003/2 version in my photo archive.  I see the 1120/2 is non-Gyromax with engraved rotor for display-back cases,  same as used in the Saltarello.
The Historiques 1968 actually uses the 1120/3 with Geneva Seal
09/30/2012 - 00:41
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Ah, so you are saying the Historiques 1968 is, in fact, perfect?
09/30/2012 - 09:45
Well, that's how I am reading what you wrote, Alex.  laugh  I hope to add a caliber 1120 to my small collection some day (what, doesn't everyone collect movements?).  From the current collection, I would still go for the 1968 over the new PT Self-winding, even though I think the the PT is a beautiful piece and a smart design for VC to have released. Best, Robert
For me the most iconic VC housing cal 1120 would be either the 222 or
09/30/2012 - 12:44
the Mercator The Historiques 1968 ain't too shabby either :-)
The Saltarello is pretty iconic, too, even if less well known. nt
09/30/2012 - 22:10
nt
Agree!
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Re: Introducing the new Patrimony Traditionnelle Automatic with cal 1120
09/30/2012 - 05:35
Very well done. Beautiful watch!!
Question About Gyromax Balance
10/01/2012 - 06:12
I thought the Gyromax was something that Patek developed. I see some other watch brands using it so, if it is indeed a Patek invention, how does the patent on this work? 
I guess the patent is now in the public domain
10/01/2012 - 10:59
e
Gyromax is still a registered PP trademark
10/02/2012 - 02:09
so I'm guessing its used under a license agreement? 
here's the definitive answer: The sytem is free sprung (also
10/02/2012 - 11:35
called  variable inertia balance) but not Gyromax as used by Patek
Re: here's the definitive answer: The sytem is free sprung (also
10/02/2012 - 13:19
Thank you Alex for this precision." Variable Inertia Balance" ( VIB) is not as grand as Gyromax but at least it says clearly what it is don(t you think ,
One of the first!
10/03/2012 - 01:47
1949 - 1940 according to Peter CDE ! Starts when you climbe a KTM off-road bike and also a H-D Spåorster but not H-D Softail ..... then goes petrect smiley Cheers Doc