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Re: just because: photos of my ref 4735 from the 50s
08/07/2012 - 17:45
Alex, you're driving me nuts. The originality and condition of that beautiful dial is most remarkable. Remarkeably well preserved, at least compared to most of my 1950's watches. Looks like it wears pretty large, too, with those lugs. Keep the pictures coming, I'm new enough to this forum where any photo of a piece I haven't seen, is a gift! --Harrison
WOW! What a dial
08/07/2012 - 19:41
Stunning hour markers and the font for the numbers is fantastic! Was it ever made without the repeater module, as a time only watch? Regards, Joseph
and the same dial on a non repeater...
08/08/2012 - 13:50
that's heavy duty!
08/09/2012 - 11:17
I only own one VC.
08/18/2012 - 17:18
The dial is why I bought it. [IMG]http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr303/ulackfocus2/IMG_5485-1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr303/ulackfocus2/IMG_4173-2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr303/ulackfocus2/IMG_1166-1.jpg[/IMG] The other side ain't too bad either. [IMG]http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr303/ulackfocus2/IMG_5493-1.jpg[/IMG]
Re: I only own one VC.
08/19/2012 - 16:46
Let's try that again with pictures.
good looking ;-) Welcome to The Lounge!
08/20/2012 - 12:29
Super watch, Paul
08/07/2012 - 20:34
Now there is a watch deserving of a wrist shot .
Wish I could, Dean!
08/08/2012 - 17:04
Unfortunately, it's not my watch . Best, Paul
08/08/2012 - 17:07
Awesome pair. Best, Paul
Super Berny, glad you
08/12/2012 - 04:53
kept the bracelet
Vertical guillochage, love it! All these dials are in fact stunning!
08/08/2012 - 21:19
I would love to see VC create a modern watch with guilloche
08/08/2012 - 21:21
bezzel like your watch
Keep them coming ...
08/09/2012 - 01:35
all of you. It is a feast for the eyes! Oliver
Re: VC's 1st guilloche dial
08/09/2012 - 14:07
Fantastic! When you think they did that in the 18th century. Is there any photo of the movement?
Re: just because: photos of my ref 4735: The guilloche galore thread!
08/10/2012 - 21:30
I’m a newcomer with contributions to the Hour Lounge and I would first of all like to say thanks to all of you for making this site a pleasure to visit. Thanks to Alex for being a great moderator and to all of you who have written articles about the great company Vacheron Constantin. I have now for some years been following the debates in The Hour Lounge and I have been reading and learning from the posts and the articles. I only collect Vacheron Constantin watches and in me and my wife’s present collection there are 21 time pieces from V&C stretching from about 1830 to 2006. I thought that this theme with guilloche dials and cases would be a good place for me to start with contributing to the Hour Lounge. The first watch I would like to show is a pocket watch from around 1830. It’s very slim and I believe that it has the same movement that would be in the pocket watch that Alex has shown in this string of posts. Some of you have been asking for a picture of that movement. The pocket watch Alex has posted is in the book “Treasures of Vacheron Constantin” on page 156. Please notice the pocket watch on page 157, it’s smaller, but seems to have a similar movement. Both descriptions of the movement are the same, but the movements differ in size. One is “Caliber 19” case size 4.8 cm (page 156) the other is a “ Caliber 15” case size 4.0 cm (page 157). My watch is 4.5 cm and that should make the caliber in the area of “Caliber 17 or 18”. Otherwise the description is the same. It’s worth noting that all three movements have 4 jewels. That seems to be the standard for many Vacheron Constantin watches from that period. See the “Treasures of Vacheron Constantin” pages 52, 79, 133, 163, 197, 206, 207, 208. When I got my watch, I was surprised about the thinness of it. I believe that this comment from the book ”Watches” by George Daniels and Cecil Clutton refers to a movement like this one: ”Better quality Swiss watches are sometimes of alarming thinness, not surpassed at any subsequent time” (page 81 in the chapter ”Styles of Watch- Cases and Dials 1750 – 1830”). It has been surpassed, but it is pretty thin. Anyway back to what the main purpose of this string is: Guilloche. “Abraham Louise Breguet was the pioneer in the field of guilloché dials for pocket watches. In the 1820s, Vacheron followed in his footsteps – not surprisingly, as the latter was a supplier to the former” (page 314 in the “Secrets of Vacheron Constantin”) . Nice to know that Vacheron & Constantin actually were working with the greatest watchmaker at that time. Frontside of watch from around 1830: Close-up of dial: Inner case: Some pictures of the movement: ( Notice: No name or number on the movement. However on the back of the movement is a matching serial number with the case. I believe that was the way they did it on these movements in those days. Check in the color section with watches page 203 and 205 in "The World of Vacheron Constantin Geneve". Close-up of the backside of the watch with some nice giulloche: Half-hunter pocket watch from around 1884-85 with Guilloche on the front of the watch case: Nice enamel dial: A picture of the movement: Back of the watch with guilloche and a beautiful champleve coat of arms: The next watch is a Cronometre Royal watch from 1910 in a silver hand engraved case with a guilloche dial and a movement with a guillaume balance. These pictures were not taken by me but I do own the watch . Close-up of the dial: Picture of the back of the watch with the engraving: And to end this post there is a modern classic. I guess it doesn't need any presentation. I wish you all a nice weekend.
Welcome to the Lounge, KBS!
08/10/2012 - 22:33
Now that is one great feast for my eyes and a great way to start the weekend! Thank you for sharing these treasures with us and I look forward to reading more from you. Best, Walid
08/11/2012 - 00:30
...and a wonderful post. Thank you for sharing! Best, Paul
For a 1st post you put the bar really high! Welcome to the Lounge....
08/11/2012 - 01:49
thank you for sharing and congratulations on your magnificent watches!
Welcome to THL KBS!
08/11/2012 - 08:00
You have some great watches, I love that silver Chronometre Royale with guillochage dial. The guilluame balance is quite interesting because when the CR first came out in 1907, it had a bi-metallic balance wheel. I look forward to seeing more of your and your wife's collection over time. :-) Best Regards, Dan
Thanks for your warm welcome.
08/12/2012 - 01:06
Dear walidK, Boutros, Alex Ghotbi and Dan Shao, Thanks for your warm welcome and kind words. This picture is for Dan and other Lounge members who think this subject is interesting. It’s the Guillaume balance in my Chronometre Royal. You are quite right this is not standard for the CR watches. I have been checking out the major auction houses and I haven’t been able to find another one from the years 1907-1911, nor have I been able to find another Chronometre Royal in a silver case from those years. I have managed to find two other Chronometre Royal watches with a Guillaume balance. These watches were intended for a ship or a competition and are from circa 1915 and circa 1942. 1: Description for Lot 243 from Antiquorum auction 18/06/2008. “Deck Watch with Guillaume Balance Vacheron & Constantin, Genève, “Chronomètre”, No. 439537, case No. 280869. Made for the British Hydrographic Service, No. 9537, circa 1942. Very fine and rare, large, keyless, silver deck and pocket lever chronometer with Guillaume balance. Accompanied by the original Dennison wooden deck box with issue labels from The Royal Greenwich Observatory, Chronometer Department at Herstmonceux Castle, Sussex and H.M. Chronometer Depot, Bradford-on-Avon, dated September 20, 1944.” The second one is very strange and I would like to see a picture of the movement because to have an up and down indicator on a CR watch is really strange. Besides that it’s strange that they list it with two balances “brass-invar Guillaume balance, Breguet balance spring in palladium.” 2: Desciption from Antiquorum auction 14/10/1990 “Vacheron & Constantin, Genève, case No 221752, circa 1915. Fine silver cased keyless "Chronomètre Royal" with up/down scale, awarded the first prize at the Geneva Observatory contest. Four body massive "demi-bassine et filets" polished case. Silver cuvette engraved with the awarded prize. Mat silver dial with Roman numerals, subsidiary seconds and up/down sector. Blued steel "pear" hands. Fine gilt brass 21"' movement, 20 jewels, straight line lever escapement, brass-invar Guillaume balance, Breguet balance spring in palladium. Signed on the dial, the case and the movement. In very good condition. Diam.62 mm.” If you or other Hour Lounge members have other information, then please share and enlighten. “Life is about learning and relearning”. I believe it was the great violin player Yehudi Menuhin who said these words. These words seem to be so true when you are a watch collector.
08/12/2012 - 05:32
Lot 243 doesn't appear to be a CR - the description doesn't say it is and the movement is standard Hydrographic Service 22 ligne cal. 73, including Guillaume balance. Check out this thread for an article I posted on an HS2 Chronometre Royal: click here to see the post. The 1990 piece would really be unusual as a CR with power reserve indicator but, as you say, without a movement photo its dangerous to assume. That time period was very creative so I wouldn't rule it out! FWIW, the Guillaume balance wheel and palladium balance spring with Breguet overcoil are seperate components.
08/12/2012 - 02:02
Ahhhh...I got a thousand questions about those gorgeous vintage pieces . The silver-cased CR...is it marked as a Chronometre Royal somewhere? Can you share a movement pic?? Can I come to your house and play???
08/12/2012 - 11:11
Dear Tick-Talk, I’m honoured about your warm welcome and your kind words towards some of my timepieces. Thanks for all the post that you have posted throughout the years on different forums. I have learnt a lot of things from your articles and I still do. I believe you are right that the ship chronometer isn’t a CR watch. Somehow during the process of reading through the auctions with listings of the CR watches this one slipped through the search engine on Antiquorum and I didn’t notice it either (damn). Wonderful that you saw it. Thanks for telling me that the “Guillaume balance wheel and palladium balance spring with Breguet overcoil are seperate components”. Still got a lot to learn. Here is the picture of the movement. I have noticed that sometimes the Guillaume balances have gold timing screws and sometimes they have gold and a pair of platinum screws. As far as I can see it seems as though mine has the latter.And if you ever come to Denmark then you are more than welcome to come and play……
An Observatory watch!
08/12/2012 - 18:54
The second serial number engraved on the base plate below Chronometre Royal is an indication of a movement constructed for Observatory Trials . Good chance the Geneva Observatory has record of a Bulletin de Marche for your timepiece and, if so, you can obtain a duplicate for a small fee. PM me for details. Gold and platinum timing screws were another indication of the extra efforts that went into regulation of Observatory watches; platinum being heavier and thus offering more effect upon the balance amplitude. Maybe yours was in the hands of the legendary Monsieur Batifolier!
My, oh my, you are good, Tick-Talk.
08/13/2012 - 00:12
Great information and it all makes sense. I have been thinking about the double number on the movement but didn’t think it to be that important. Can you remember where you read about the double movement number on the movements that went to the Observatory Tests/trials? I have just checked out a couple of the ones V&C have sent to the tests and later sold on Antiqorum. On this one (Lot 270 from Important Collectors’ Wristwatches, Pocket Watches & Clocks 13-05-2007) there is only one number as far as I can find. On this one (lot no 123 from The Quarter Millennium of Vacheron Constantin 03-04-2005) there doesn’t seem to be any number on the movement. Please do not see my question here as though I don’t believe you. I know from your posts how dedicated you are and how thorough your research is. But I also know from collecting V&C watches that there is always something that seems to break the rule here and there. I checked out a number of Patek observatory watches and they all had 2 identical numbers on the movement, so here it seems to fit. Thanks for all your help and your Observatory watch is really wonderful. Yours sincerely KBS
LOL, you said it...
08/13/2012 - 02:10
there is always something a bit different about V&C . Auction house catalogs are not always reliable, especially when dealing with exceptions to the rule - and some are just lazy and keep repeating the same boilerplate descriptions from auction to auction . For that reason I often acquire a piece to study it, but not always to keep. In this case, the absence of two serial numbers on the movement is not a reliable indicator that the movement wasn't constructed for Observatory trials, but the presence of two serial numbers is a good indicator that it was. Also, a movement may be considered for trials but for a number of reasons may not have been submitted, may not have completed, or may not have passed the trials. On balance, I'm inclined to think it will be worth your effort to enquire (also involves a fee for the search) as Observatory movements were often kept un-cased for several years. Yours has a unique and likely custom-ordered case, which would fit with this scenario. Best of luck and, of course, you must keep us informed .
Joseph, do you have a movement shot
08/12/2012 - 06:10
of the JJ digital? I'm really curious to know if the ebauche is by R. Cart...
Re: Joseph, do you have a movement shot
08/12/2012 - 07:07
Sorry, I don't. I do have the box and papers signed by Jurgensen himself, as a certified chronometer. The movement was made in Switzerland and there is no attribution on it except Jules Jurgensen.
08/16/2012 - 15:24
Tank Obus, me likes :-)
08/17/2012 - 11:09