Last one I looked at turned out fake. How about this one?

Thanks for your help last time saving me from buying a fake. I found another vintage Vacheron that looks good (much better than the last one). I was wondering if this one is real? Also has anyone here bought watches from this seller? Thanks again for all your help.

 

http://www.bogoff.com/wrist/8121.html

09/09/2016 - 03:01
Several things pop up as wrong with the dial aand movement, I'd avoid it
09/07/2016 - 15:00

I also recommend checking out Tick-Talk's guide:

http://www.thehourlounge.com/en/vacheron-constantin-discussions/tick-talks-guide-spotting-vacheron-constantin-627508

Also spend more time searching THL's reccomnded threads and you can learn alot about vintage VC watches, which will help you spot more issues on your own.  It's a learning process that never ends. :-)

Re: Several things pop up as wrong with the dial aand movement, I'd avoid it
09/07/2016 - 23:50

Thanks for the help. I read that post. It's still difficult for me to see everything wrong with various watches. What specifically did you notice about the watch that was wrong so I can learn in the future?

Re: Several things pop up as wrong with the dial aand movement, I'd avoid it
09/08/2016 - 02:21

Hi Dan,

I would like to know as well what the issues are with the dial.

The s/n's are from 1939-1941.

The case back looks genuine as does the movement (as far as the small image allows one to see). V&C and Swiss Made look genuine on the dial.

Bogoff is a very reputable dealer of vintage watches in the S.F. Bay area and has quite a collection.

I have had some discussions with him about some watches but never bought anything.

He has a reputation to protect so I don't think he knowingly selling any fakes or frankenwatches.

The buyer should contact him and discuss the watch.

Best,

Jospeh

 

Hi JB, on a watch of this vintage, I would have expected just "Swiss", not ""Swiss Made"
09/08/2016 - 04:59

Also the way the sub-seconds dial runs into the minute track, I thought an original dial would not do that.  These 2 things make me think it is a redial.

The regulator on the balance doesn't look quite right to me either.  These things added together makes me think it should be avoided.

BR, Dan

Re: Hi JB, on a watch of this vintage, I would have expected just "Swiss", not ""Swiss Made"
09/08/2016 - 12:38

Hi Dan,

Thanks for the heads-up. Many watches of that era had no text at 6 o'clock or just "SWISS". I thought about the "Swiss Made"  when I saw iit but wasn't sure.

As for the sub-second hand running into the track...In most cases they were indeed above the track but i have seen a few examples where it did run into the track.

So a refinished dial is very likely in this case.

Joseph

Re: Re: Hi JB, on a watch of this vintage, I would have expected just "Swiss", not ""Swiss Made"
09/08/2016 - 12:41

...As for the regulator, I am not certain. The photo is not the best. It does say VXN, I believe.

There is a screw missing to thre right of the word "Vacheron"

Thanks JB, I noticed the VXN sign as well
09/08/2016 - 15:13

Here is a picture of the movement:

Thanks JB, I noticed the VXN sign as well

 

Don't ask me why, but the protrusion (I circled it) didn't look quite right to me.  But when I look at more movements from the time period with just an index (i.e., no swan's neck or any other mechanism to make micro-regulating/adjustments easier)  it should be ok.

Re: Re: Hi JB, on a watch of this vintage, I would have expected just "Swiss", not ""Swiss Made"
09/08/2016 - 14:17

I wouldn't be against getting it if it only had a refinished dial...but problems with the movement are concerning.

Here is a picture of the dial being discussed
09/08/2016 - 17:09

Here is a picture of the dial being discussed

 

please post pictures of the watches instead of links to dealer sites
09/08/2016 - 10:43

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Re: please post pictures of the watches instead of links to dealer sites
09/08/2016 - 14:07

Sorry. I will see if Ican edit it.

Re: Re: please post pictures of the watches instead of links to dealer sites
09/08/2016 - 14:15

I tried to edit it but couldn't figure out how.

Re: Re: Re: please post pictures of the watches instead of links to dealer sites
09/08/2016 - 17:16

Hi,

You would need screen capture software such as "Snagit"

JB

Re: Re: Re: Re: please post pictures of the watches instead of links to dealer sites
09/09/2016 - 00:38

Looks like the pictures for the watch were posted. I can't seem to find any way to edit my post and remove the link.

 

Maybe a mod can edit it?

 

As far as the watch the seller said it was available but did not respond to my questions about it yet. I don't really like the idea of missing screws in the movement in any case.

 

Oh well, my search for a vintage steel vacheron with small seconds continues...seemingly forever.

What are you looking for?
09/09/2016 - 03:01

What elements are you seeking? Particular metal? Dial color? Manual or automatic? Sub seconds? Time only? Price ceiling?

Would be curious as to what you're looking for, and what caught your eye with this one?

Re: What are you looking for?
09/09/2016 - 06:14

I'm looking for a watch in a lighter mental- steel, white gold, platinum. I really also kind of want sub seconds on it. I prefer breguet numerals to roman numerals or markers but not required. I liked the black dial on this watch but not required. I really like some of the old vacherons with interesting shaped lugs but I rarely see them in white gold. I like old looking watches and consider patina a bonus. 

 

I've seen lots of vacherons I like but most are in yellow or rose gold and mostly I wear jeans and a T-shirt and a black belt with silver buckle. I'm not sure if a gold watch would clash horribly. 

Re: Re: What are you looking for?
09/09/2016 - 06:20

I also liked this but I believe this is insanely rare and way too expensive.

Re: Re: Re: What are you looking for?
09/09/2016 - 06:23

Sorry about the web address in the image. Didn't notice until I posted it. 

Happy hunting
09/11/2016 - 21:29

Be patient, they're out there. I've seen several lovely examples over the last year (not so many Breguet numbers, though). In the meanwhile, I would suggest studying up on the guides provided here, learn the movements, and get in mind the key elements you want. You have a lot of variation in your elements- you can be specific. They'll pop up, not a ton every day, but enough over time. Don't rush into something that doesn't feel perfect, or you may regret it shortly when the right one appears. And enjoy the hunt! Be sure to let us know what you purchased. Always love seeing a VC.

Re: What are you looking for?
09/09/2016 - 06:17

For example this looks cool but I'm not sure about the gold.

Re: What are you looking for?
09/09/2016 - 06:18

I also saw a picture of this but never saw one for sale.