Latest Vacheron Acquisition

Here is my latest acquisition, something I have been after for quite some time: A Chronometre Royal. I believe this is a Ref 6161, yellow gold with the P1008/BS movement. I had been looking for this particular case design with these lugs based on the Vacheron Maltese Cross logo.

It was first introduced in 1955 but not used in the Chrono Royal til about 1959.

The indices when extended also show a Maltese cross design and there was even one dial with the logo embossed on it.

Bill Lind’s excellent review from the Purists is here as is one from this site.


There is also a similar article, in French, by François on the French website, “Montres Mechaniques”.


A search of this site also yields a great deal of interesting information on the Chronometre Royal watches.

This watch does not have the beautiful guillochéed dial of François watch, nor the unique black dial of Berny’s nor Tony’s lovely CR with the gold bracelet from the early 50’s, but it’s still quite lovely.

Here are some pics.

The ones with the inside back of the case and the movement are courtesy of the former owner



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Congratulations Joseph. A very charming and incredible
06/18/2014 - 06:18

timepiece. As always, love your research.

Re: Congratulations Joseph. A very charming and incredible
06/18/2014 - 16:40

Thanks kk!

I am pleased you like it. I am very happy with the find. When I saw it in my hand I was quite impressed with the shape it was in. It was the former owner's ( aprivate dealer in the Munich area) personal watch and he certainly took care of it.



I love this case design, I love Chronometre
06/18/2014 - 10:17

Royal, I love the movement and I love your shirt:-)


great catch Joseph

Re: I love this case design, I love Chronometre
06/18/2014 - 16:43

Thanks Alex.

I love the design of the case...very unique and heritage-driven.

As for my shirt (LOL)...I think this one is from Charles Tyrwhitt in London. Pretty decent shirts for a great price!



Uh oh... another shirt tangent...
06/18/2014 - 18:40

I, too, have several Charles Tyrwhitt shirts, I can vouch for their quality!  They even come with metal collar stays.  Excellent taste all around Joseph.

Re: Uh oh... another shirt tangent...
06/18/2014 - 20:13

Thank you once again.

Great minds think alike (LOL).

I was in London 2 weeks ago for a conference before heading to Glasshutte and Paris. And as usual made my pigrimage to Jermyn St.

I did visit Charles Tyrwhitt but their selection at the time was not too good. I found another shop (of which there are many) and they had a better choice, so I bought three (£60!). I can PM you their name when I get home, if you like.

As for collar stays, I have looked for some vintage ones, without luck, but did find a nice set at Tiffany's in NYC. And.... when I was in London last January I saw a beautifully engrave set with cufflinks at Turnbull and Asser for their 125th anniversary. It was a treat to myself

Beautiful watch and looks to be in excellent condition.
06/18/2014 - 12:13

A really great find. I, too, like the lugs and indices and really the overall design of the watch. It looks surprisingly large for a watch of it's time (not in an unsightly way).  Do you know what the case size is?

i had been wondering what this would be since your teaser post. Thanks for ending the speculation. Great watch. 

Re: Beautiful watch and looks to be in excellent condition.
06/18/2014 - 16:45

Thank you for your kind words.

I believe the case is 37mm. The earlier cases with the 1001 and 1003 movements from the mid-fifties were a bit smaller at 33-34mm.



06/18/2014 - 14:55


Great photos 

Thanks for sharing

Re: Congratulations
06/18/2014 - 16:46

Thanks Hamish!

Always a pleasure.


Congratulations, Joseph! And some questions for the CR experts...
06/18/2014 - 15:18

I am so pleased for you , Joseph. You know, when you hinted the other day about your latest acquisition, I had a sbneaking suspicion that you might havbe caught one of these CRs from the fifities.  And this looks to be a beautiful example!

I am afraid you have been reading my mind again, Joseph, as I have been for some time hunting a CR from this period with the 1008BS caliber and I am not having the luck you have had thus far.  :-(

Regarding your estimate on when VC began using the Maltese lugs on the CRs, I came across a ref. 6111 with those lugs manufactured in 1957.

Now I could use some help from you and the other Chronometre Royal experts.  I am a little confused about the differences among some of the reference numbers of the Chronometre Royals using the calibers 1007BS and 1008BS, even after having reviewed the articles that you cited in your post as well as some past auction catalogues.  Here are the the reference numbers of which I am aware and some questions or clarifications I am seeking:

  • 4838 (central seconds, cal. 1008BS, large  straight lugs) - Is it the same reference number whether the watch has small or central seconds?
  • 4907 -I am  not sure how this differs from the 4838 -- are they the same reference?
  • 6111 (central seconds, cal. 1008BS, maltese cross lugs)
  • 6110 (same design as 6161, but with cal. 1007BS, small seconds sub-dial)
  • 6161 (central seconds, cal. 1008BS, maltese cross lugs) - Is this reference always smaller than ref. 6111 at 34mm?  Is the main difference from the ref. 6161 size, or are there other key differences in case design, etc.?
  • 6075 (central seconds, cal. 1008BS, very short, stubby lugs/integrated bracelet) Is there a distinct correlating ref. # for a small seconds subdial version?
  • 62227 - Is this a real reference?  I have only seen one source cite this reference number.
  • 6340 (central seconds, cal. 1008BS, straight plain lugs). Did this reference ever come with a minutes track on the dial?
  • 6107 (small seconds subdial)/6108 (central seconds).  These references look similar to ref. 6161.  I have only seen these cited by one source as ones presented to  Eisenhower and Truman.  Are these actual references, distinct from the other CR references?  Were these the same size 34mm?

Any corrections to the above list of references would be appreciated, most appreciated.

Can case sizes be definitively assigned to each reference number or did case sizes vary even within a specific reference

As you, Joseph, and others are aware, restoration of these pieces can be interesting.  I am particularly curious about dial restoration, as I have come across a range of issues on the examples I have seen thus far. If an original dial has been refinished by someone other than VC, can VC restore the refinished dial to at least close to its original state?  Would every dial from this period have the word "Swiss" printed on it without exception? I have seen at least one dial that otherwise looks original and unfinished (to my untrained eye, of course) missing the "Swiss" label.

Ok, that is more than enough questions for now.  

Once again, Joseph, I am so delighted that you have found such a beauty.  I am a little bit envious, too, but I'll get over that.  ;-)



Sorry for the dense text
06/18/2014 - 15:21

It looked much better in teh site's text editor before I "published" the post.  So wish we had an opportunity to edit posts after they are published.  frown 

Re: Sorry for the dense text
06/18/2014 - 16:56

I thought I was reading James Joyce for a moment there!!

Thanks Robert. I will have to look into some of the points you raised.

I have seen some of the smaller versions with a 33-34mm case using the 1003 and 1001 movements. I think there is one on ebay from Turler.

but there were quite a few variations. I have seen only one guillochéed version and one black dial. Those ones are quite unique and belong to Loungers.

I will have to get back to you.

Both Bill (WHL) and François (cisco) may have some comments.



A real beauty!
06/18/2014 - 15:52

Congratulations Joseph, it certainly does look good on your wrist yes.

Re: A real beauty!
06/18/2014 - 16:51

Thanks Dean.

Yes I was quite pleased by how it looked.

It's one of those iconic watches that's just below the radar.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's on VC's list of watches to reconsider in a modern form.(???)



Perhaps an automatic version of the Historique 1955?
06/18/2014 - 20:49

Wouldn't that be something enlightened.  Would love to see the cal. 2460 SCC appear in a new CR heart.

Re: Perhaps an automatic version of the Historique 1955?
06/19/2014 - 15:17

Now, that would be something!

But I think they would likely stick with a manual movement.


Decisions of this nature aren't difficult to make...
06/18/2014 - 20:37

Joseph, I bet it didn't take you long to fall for this one?  -  beautiful style and presence...heart.

I was aware that you were keen to acquire a Chronometre Royal so it didn't come too much of a surprise, however, seeing this lovely piece makes me draw breath in sheer delight and excitement. This will, I'm sure, give you lots of very happy timely moments.

Good to hear from you, as always.


Re: Decisions of this nature aren't difficult to make...
06/19/2014 - 15:18

Thank you Tony.

I hope all is well. I look forward to seeing you again.

Best wishes,


Re: Latest Vacheron Acquisition
06/19/2014 - 11:48

Really very nice!


Re: Re: Latest Vacheron Acquisition
06/19/2014 - 15:19

Many thanks for your kind words.


Congrats Joseph!
06/20/2014 - 13:59

You know I'm sincere and not objective when I say you really picked up a beautiful CR!  (It's cousin, Ref. 6110, says hello)

Congrats Joseph!

It is 35mm (35.3mm for the truly *nal, yours truly included).  Yours, at 37mm, I think is quite rare.  yes

Just one note, my CR is from 1955 (confirmed in the CofA) VC used these lugs for the CR during the first year these lugs were introduced.

So very happy for you my friend!

BR, Dan

Re: Congrats Joseph!
06/21/2014 - 02:28

Hi Dan,

Thank you very much for your kind words.

As for the size of 37mm...I remeasured it, instead of taking someone elses word for it.

The diameter is 35mm but the ditance from the flat part of the lugs to the other side is 37mm.

Your 6111 is a gem BTW



Finally able to tell you how much I like your new CR
06/20/2014 - 23:01

I've been swamped this weekand am just coming up for air, but that is a great addition to your collection.  I have my eye on a CR as well, as it fills a gaping hole in my collection.  Congratulations!

Re: Finally able to tell you how much I like your new CR
06/21/2014 - 02:30

Thanks very much, Michael.

I look forward to seeing yours in the very near future.