Malte dual time tonneau price

new member first post,
Looking into buying a Malte tonneau dual time (Ref:47400/000G-9100). xxxxxxxxxx (name of grey market dealer deleted) has a new one (2012) for a price of $25000.00 . Assuming everything is as it should be is this a decent price for a new Malte dual time.

kind regardes,

nick christi

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are you asking us if it is a good price or leting us know that it is
04/25/2012 - 11:18
a good price?
Re: are you asking us if it is a good price or leting us know that it is
04/25/2012 - 17:16
Sorry Alex, i should have been clearer in the post. I am a first time VC buyer, have been talking with this dealer and others. I do not work for then or am affiliated with them. My family and I are in the hotel business in Virginia Beach Virginia. If possible wanted to get the boards thoughts on if this is a decent price for a new Malte DT tonneau. Have a wife and four daughters all high maintenance want to save as much as can. regardes, nick christie
Welcome Nick
04/25/2012 - 22:05
You can go to the Antiquorum website and do a search for that watch in their old catalogues. Prices should be there. Sotheby's and Christies also allow searches so you can try those sites. I do own one but can't recall what I paid for it. But that was a few years ago and I'm sure the price has increased since then. Good luck, Joseph
Re: Welcome Nick
04/26/2012 - 06:39
Joseph, thank you for steering me to these sites will be digging into then this weekend. nick
last retail price was around $35k (nt)
04/26/2012 - 11:46
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Re: Malte dual time tonneau price
04/25/2012 - 21:50
Hi Nick,    Welcome to the lounge! Usually we don't discuss prices/dealers etc on the lounge but let me try to answer your question this way (all the below, in my view, factor into the price or percieved value you place on a timepiece): 1. Are you satisfied with the piece and does it represent something that you want/admire and would wear? Do you see yourself enjoying it and wearing it? There is no use buying something and keeping it in a safe ;) 2. You are thinking about the piece and have been talking to others about it. This shows that it is not an impulsive buy, which would indicate that you are less likely to regret it in the long-run. That is good. My philosophy has always been 100% confidence in the purchase, if I am at 99% I don't buy it. This philosophy has fared well so far as I am yet to regret a purchase (I have never sold a watch). One warning though: if you are thinking of buying this piece solely because you believe that the offer is too good to refuse (or that it is an amazing deal on a piece you are not confident about), I'd recommend pausing and looking at other options in the price range. That way your final decision, whatever it may be, would be well made. 3. What is the reason for the this particular purchase: a dual-time dress watch? A dress watch that also has a function? Something for everyday wear? The purpose goes a long way into determining the suitability of the watch. I am sure you have thought of this, but it would be great if you can share with us how you came to this choice.  Now onto the nuts and bolts: 4. Does the piece have all the right (and necessary) paperwork such as the guarantee and full kit (usually it comes with a VC outer box with a travel case, a usb key, a watch cleaing cloth, the guarantee booklet/passport). 5. Are you positive of the authenticity of the piece (again, usually this is confirmed by the presence of valid paperwork with matching movement and case numbers to the item purchased).  6. Does the piece appear to be operating properly (someitmes pieces on the gray market may have issues and as such are offered at steep discounts). Having the full-term of the warranty is usually not the case with grey market dealers, but try to make sure you have at least 15-18 months (a ballpark number I like to use) of the usual 2 year guarantee. That way you can have enough time to wear it and send it if need be especially if it is worn in rotation. 7. In terms of price, best thing to do is to ask around by first checking the price with an Authorised Dealer and look at what the actual retail price is and what some online dealers offer. That way you can have a good idea as to price range. However, a cursory look shows that the price you quoted is well below the usual grey market prices of the usual suspects, so asking why it is this low is necessary (remember, at the end of the day they are in it to make money). If you have a watchmaker friend that you trust, have him/her inspect it. 8. Be absolutely sure of the follow-up service the seller is offering. Usually you do not get much from grey market dealers (hence my preference for my AD, always) but look at money back guarantees etc (that way if anything arises or if it does not check out you can always go back the the dealer). 9. In relation to the usual (and exceptional) financial constraints that accompany living with five females (that is something!), as a rule of thumb, as much as people talk about timepieces being an investment; consider it a personal investment in enjoyment and gratification and not a financial investment. That is why you need to be content with the decision - any opinions given by others on the actual piece will be ultimately irrelevant since it will be on your wrist. Oh and do make sure you have their input on the choice, otherwise you will never hear the end of it ;). As for the watch itself, it is an excellent choice considering some of the dual time watches on offer out there with similar looks. The key factor here is the movement, which is a good solid movement based on a JLC ebauche that has been in production for some time and is used (with some variations) by a number of manufacturers such as JLC and AP and, of course, by Vacheron in two models (this and the overseas dual-time). Sorry if this is a long-whinded response, but hopefully it helps! Please feel free to share your thoughts and let us know what your decisoin is. Now that you have joined the Lounge, hopefully you will join the Club! Best, Walid
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04/26/2012 - 03:40
Just Looked at AF website. This is the advertised price, seems to be good. If you offer cash  instead of CC you should save 5% on CC hassle. Start really low and see what they want to do. If they are serious they will come down. If they don't come down on the price, well think of something else. They make money by selling watches. (as much as they can get) Tax on that watch is high. See if you can purchase this watch after you see it , out of the state. Just VA Beach to VA Beach friend.
Re: Re: Malte dual time tonneau price
04/26/2012 - 06:47

Walid,

thank your very much for all your thoughts and time you gave me in your post. i came to the world of VC thru my

grandfather, as a child (i was born 1958)  i was fascinated by this sublime creature coiled

around his wrist. I am sentimental to mechanical delicacies like the cal1222 and to mechanical solutions

to things in general. i like very much the tonneau case and i find the multiply features on the dial subtle

and tasteful compared to other multi function watches which to me look very busy. my wife is Chinese and

her parents live in Beijing (my father in law has a patrimony) so our lives straddle both time zones so the dual time has that  practical feature that i like but mostly i like the watch. i agree with you on your thoughts on watches as investments, i do not want to go anywhere near that battlefield. my wife says if i get the watch she will start holding my hand in public again; i will wear this creature ever day . the grey market dealer seems to be in good standing with their customers from info i got on the web (review sites,watch forums, BBB, NAWCC, ECT). the nuts and bolts seem to be in order as well. if i may trouble you with two more question:are there two serial numbers, one for the case and one for the cal 1222 movement and are they both on the paperwork / passport.also is the watch covered in plastic when new.

all the best,

nick

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04/26/2012 - 13:16
Hey Nick,    No worries! We all have a story that gets us here and I am glad your wife agrees with the VC choice!  The dualtime should work perfectly with the VA Beach and Beijing back and forth especially since both are on hour increments (remember you can't do half and quarter timezones with this one). In terms of your questions, here you go:    Since its a recent watch you should get a passport-sized booklet (black with Vacheron Constantin Geneve in gold lettering). When you first open it there is a guarantee certificate in a transparency containing the passport number and stamped with a date; your guarantee runs two years from that date. The Passport will have multiple pages. Of interest is Page 3, which contains a picture of the watch, the name of the collection and the watch's name (so here Product Family would be Malte and Watch Name would be something like Dual Time). On Page 5 you will have the full reference number (per your info, it would be 47400/000G-9100 in this case). You will also see two distinct serial numbers (in the 6-7 digits) one is the case number and the other is the movement number. The page should also contain other information such as material (here 18k white gold), dial type, and strap type (here Black Missisisippiensis alligator).   Note that the numbers on the caseback itself will be the reference number (47400) and the case number. The movement number will, if I am not mistaken, be on the inside -these should match the info in the paperwork. Also note that the watch should come with a folding clasp and not a tang buckle as well as a corrector pen.   As for the movement cal., it won't be on the case or any of the paperwork. If you pop the watch open, it should say "1222" on the movement itself. With regards to the plastic bag, usually new watches are factory sealed, so they would come in an elongated transparent plastic bag that is about the same width as the watch (I would not have it any other way!).  Happy shopping and looking forward to your picutres! Best, Walid
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05/09/2012 - 03:15
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