Is my dial and watch original ?

dear Alex,

How should I know a vintage VC such as this one with a cal. K453-3BW has an original VC dial  and is real ?

(I think the dial and hands looks like too much as a JLC !

Is my dial and watch original ?)

The case number is 506 587, the movement 579 373.

Many thanks for your great helpand your dedication,


Re: Is my dial and watch original ?
02/18/2008 - 21:57

Well, to make sure at 99% you could just send the case and movements numbers to VC and they can reply to you in a few days usually. They need both as sometimes the case and the movement are genuine, but not from the same original watch.

To make 100% sure you need to send it to VC for a certificate of authenticity.

The hands (dauphine style) look 1950s; not having "swiss" or "swiss made" on the dial is not necessarily wrong; you can check the "vacheron & constantin" marking on the dial at a slight angle: the letters should be sticking out of the dial by a small fraction (to see it you need to play with your lighting and angle of view); the crown does not look original in my opinion (but don't worry, that does not affect anything; the watch would still be genuine even without the original crown).

Production numbers show production date around early 1950s if I am not wrong.

And now we need the experts advice (Alex, Doc, etc...)...

that dial doesn't look right! The case is from a model from the 60s-70
02/18/2008 - 22:06

whereas the dial looks to be an earlier model if really vintage and even like the contemporary Master Thin from JLC!

I'll check with the movement and case numbers but don't get your hopes too high.

Re: that dial doesn't look right! The case is from a model from the 60
02/19/2008 - 14:06

Many thanks for your help.


Re: Re: Is my dial and watch original ?
02/19/2008 - 14:05

Thanks for your knowledgable help.


Re: Is my dial and watch original ?
02/19/2008 - 00:12

Greetings Berny,

Its quite a nice looking watch.

The movement number indicates early 1960's but the case number doesn't seem to match. The cases at that time started with "36".

However, the case design is similar to the Chronometre Royal of the late 1950's-early 1960's (see The Quater Millenium Antiquorum catalogue...#13 and #14.

You can check the movement type (not the S/N) which should be engraved on the movement somewhere. Can you upload a photo of the movement itself?

Having said all that, the appearance does look like a JLC but there is a similarity amongst watch brands in dial and hand design in that period (as well as earlier periods) so thats not conclusive at all. Unfortunately my JLC references are not extensive. I have a JLC watch from 1950's with a similar appearance.

Perhaps it is a se-called "frankenwatch" were the parts are all genuine VC but come from different eras.

VC in Geneva may have to be the final arbiter.

Good Luck!


Re: Re: Is my dial and watch original ?
02/19/2008 - 14:07

Thank you you have been vey useful. Bernard

Stay away from that watch! the dial as
02/19/2008 - 14:47

expected is not original and the movement and case numbers don't match. The case number corresponds to a case made in the 80s and the movement n° doesn't correspond to anything!!