New to this forum

First of all, the best wishes to you all.

I own a, I think, 222. About 12 years ago I inherited this VC from my father. I remenber it was a birthday gift from my mother in the late seventies, but that is all I knew about it for years. Years ago I met a Cartier collector and he noticed I was wearing the VC. He learned me a lot about Swiss watches and so I started to understand the brand value of VC.

I do find it very hard to find any information about this watch. I recently bought a book about VC, Secrets of VC by Franco Cologny, and inthere is one pic of the 222, only with a gold dial. It is just for a short time that I know that the three 2's on the back of case is the type of the watch. So any information about the production quantities, different color an material combinations etc. is very welcome.

Meanwhile I hope to learn a bit more about VC at this forum

Greetings from Holland


the 222 is definately a watch whose design is growning on me! It was
01/01/2008 - 15:48

launched in the mid 70s and designed by Gerald Genta which explains the "family" ressemblance between the Royal Oak, Nautilus and 222.

The case was milled from a bloc of metal (steel or gold) making it monobloc, thin yet water resistant to 120m. It was first launched in steel and gold, followed by an all gold and rarer all steel model.

The 222 gave inspiration to the designers at VC for the designing of the Overseas.

There's an excellent article in our Press Corner on the evolution of the 222 to the Overseas called "A Decade of Evolutionary Brilliance: The Evolution of the Overseas". Its worth a read.

If you use the "search" function you will find some past discussion on the 222.

Please post a scan of your watch and welcome to The Lounge  

its funny to note that the 222 was delivered with a bank note clip in
01/01/2008 - 17:59

the same shape as the watch's bezzel!!

VC Sports Watch History Incomplete!
01/01/2008 - 20:13

OK Alex, time to stir the pot!  The article you've referenced in the Press Corner does a wonderful job at describing the history and provides some insights on how the VC line of sporting watches has developed, BUT...

The lack of discussion on the movements that are the heart of these watches is perplexing.  It's like describing an automobile without discussing the engine and suggests a stereotype of frivolous customers, who fuss about the color of the paint or upholstery but choose to remain ignorant about anything under the hood.

A history of the 222 should mention the iconic calibre 112x series of movements, while the Phidias chronology should debate the downgrading of it's movement in context of VC's ownership and marketing strategies at the time.  The original Overseas' GP ebauche represented a brief step away from a history of JLC-sourced movements that was reclaimed with the current version.

It was, after all, a return to the appreciation of mechanical intricacies that rescued the Swiss watch industry from a quartz-driven apocalypse.

I favor movement discussion, but G-P as downgrade?
01/01/2008 - 20:42

I would also welcome discussion of the progression of movements within the 222/Phidias/Overseas, and one can never say enough about the caliber 1120 (although I have reservations about its use in a sporty watch, as it does not accommodate a seconds hand). However, it should not be taken as an assumption that the G-P movement used in the original Overseas was a "downgrade." The G-P movement is extremely accurate, reasonably easy to service, and robust enough that the old-model Overseas actually can be used as a sports watch. I have subjected my old-model Overseas to treatment that I feel sure would have killed a JLC movement, and it continues to perform beautifully. Sometimes function must be considered. (By the way, the G-P movement is quite exclusive: as far as I know, it has been used by G-P itself, VC and Harry Winston only.)

Sorry if I was unclear....
01/02/2008 - 01:39

My comments regarding the downgraded movement referred to the Phidias automatic, which used a Piguet 9.51-based ebauche.  The only rationale I can find to abandon the calibre 1121 was that it was a very expensive movement to produce...

The GP-sourced movement in the Overseas was a "step away" from the usual Jaeger le Coultre partnership.  I'd love to know what VC thought of their GP liaison and why it didn't continue?

Great watch...
01/01/2008 - 22:03

Hi Robin,

I love the 222.  Its my favorite VC sports watch, and I think of the four sports watches launched in the seventies the Royal Oak from AP, the Nautilus from PP, the Jumbo SL Ingenieur from IWC, and its the most understated and underappreciated of the bunch.  I also did not know until reading Alex's post that the 222 was water resistant to 120m. 

Unfortunately, as you mentioned there is not a lot of information about this watch.  Part of it may be that its the watch with the shortest lifespan of the bunch (although the RO, Nautilus, and Ingeniur all shrunk for a while from their original proportions). 

When you get a chance it would be great if you posted some pix of your watch.

Best regards,


Re: New to this forum
01/04/2008 - 08:55

Thanks for all your information. I never knew she had cousins made by other watchbuilders. This weekend I will find some time to read the articles and google the other watches As soon as I have made some decent pictures, I will post them. Greetings from Leiden, The Netherlands Robin

looking forward to the scans (nt)
01/04/2008 - 11:47