The Overseas dual time

Dear friends,

I like very much the new Dual Time :

The Overseas dual time

(picture from Alex).

But, reading an article on another forum (on the simple Overseas, not dual time), I find : "One interesting aspect to this particular movement is that adjustments have been made to the train, which appear to have been intended to reduce the amount of power reaching the escapement and balance wheel. The reason for doing so may be that the movement was showing excessive amplitude, possibly as a result of the sensitivity that this movement reputedly shows to variations in mainspring strength. The solution used in this case was to bend the tension spring which regulates the sweep seconds pinion’s motion, so as to put more drag on the pinion and subtract power from the train. As a result, some wear is visible on the sweep seconds pinion. This could cause wear to the pinion. As far as the tension spring is concerned it is probable that it would need to be replaced due to wear in a much shorter time frame."
I find this a bit disappointing.
What do you think ?
Thanks.
Different Movement
03/14/2009 - 15:34
Jojo, I think that is a different movement and should not deter you from buying the Overseas Dual Time.   Park
Simple Overseas movements
03/14/2009 - 16:12
Hi,  I'm not sure which simple Overseas version is being referred to in the article you mentioned, as there are 2 versions.  The original version came out in 1996 and used a VC 1310 movement (which is based on a GP 3100 ebauche).  The VC 1310 movement had a modification made sometime during this version of the Overseas to revise the rotor and calendar date system. The "newer" version came out in 2004 and besides the many external changes (band, size, dial, etc.) the movement used in the simple version is a VC 1126/1 movement (which is based on a JLC 889 ebauche). Both of these movements are tried and true, very reliable and accurate.  I have a 10 year old Overseas and besides its maintenance every 5 years, is running beautifully.  (the older movement is COSC certified, the newer one is not - but I believe it meets the standards as well). As Park mentioned above, the Dual-Time uses another movement altogether, a VC 1222 movement (which I think is based on a JLC 997 ebauche?) I would not be discouraged if I was you in buying any one of the Overseas collection due to technical/quality issues with the movement. Best Regards, Dan
agree on what has been said above. The Dual time OS does not have the
03/14/2009 - 18:05
same movement as the time only model. As Dan pointed the time only model went from a GP ebauche to a JLC in 2004 and both are tried and tested calibers. 
Re: The Overseas dual time
03/15/2009 - 11:39
Hi, Thanks for your answers ! So do you really  think this watch qualifies as a "sport watch" ??? Is it as rugged as a Rolex ? Thanks ! (picture from SJX)
Re: Re: The Overseas dual time
03/16/2009 - 05:54
Hi Jojo, I have a stainless steel Dual Time, and I absolutely love it!  I do a bit of travel, and the second time zone really comes in handy. The Dual Time is a fantastic sports watch.  I find it a good entry to VC as the Overseas expresses a youthful dynamic attitude. The watch performs well.  I have not had issues with it running too fast or slow.  It is elegant and supple on the wrist, and apart from the date, all functions are easy to read.  The date hand is a bit small and can sometimes be obscurred by the larger hour or minute hand if they are in the 1-3 o'clock area. As for ruggedness, build-quality is very nice.  I use it for medium and sometimes heavy activity, and there are no issues with damaging the movement - very rugged indeed.  However, with the watch being both brushed and polished, it is easy to scratch.  I wear mine almost every day, and the bracelet is prone to hairline markings.  Look forward to your decision! Best regards JAMES
Re: Re: The Overseas dual time
03/16/2009 - 22:17
I have worn my Dual Time quite often over the 7 months I've owned it, and in my view it does not need to be babied.  I have also owned the JLC Geographique (with the same or very similar underlying movement) for over 10 years and have had absolutely no problems with it, again with regular wear over that period. As for "tough as a Rolex," I'll leave that to others.  I don't wear any watch anymore while golfing, for instance -- but within the limits of regular everyday wear I have not experienced any problems at all with this movement. Hope that helps! Best, GaryG