Dear Friends

I am a recent owner of an Overseas Chronometer in steel which I love since it is the perfect day-to-day watch so that I can have play time with son without worrying about my watch.


Now I am looking for a discrete dress watch. I have been looking at the Patrimony series both the automatic and the mechanical version. I do not have any specs on size on either of them but I also don’t see many references to them in any forums. Very few posts, either here or in time zone or in the purist which are the ones I have been poking around into.


Does anybody here own one, and if so do you have any complains or any ideas you would like to share with a recent VC lover and presumably a coming Patrimony owner.


Thank you in advance for all your inputs.



12/05/2007 - 01:02
12/05/2007 - 09:06

Dear Xerxes welcome at the Lounge.

If you check the Recomended threads and Press corner links on the top right of the main page you will find some very interesting article about the Patrimony. Also if you click on our collection you will be directed at the VC online catalogue.

I recently tried a Patrimony Contemporaine, 40mm, YG and it was very beatifull. Because it is thin it looks even bigger. 

Unfortunately I don't own one but I'm sure some owners will reply to you.


Re: Welcome
12/05/2007 - 15:47

Thnx for the tip George. It was very usefull. I am pretty new to this forum (although I have been browsing on it for a while before I became a member) so its good the get some hints on where to find good info.


Khosh amadine to the Lounge :-) The Patrimony seems to be a
12/05/2007 - 11:03

popular model here if you type in "Patromony" in the search function you will get 16 pages!!

Since 2007 you have two types of Patrimony models:

The Patrimony Contemporaine which has a slim 40mm diameter and a very modern look. It exists in manual wind with in house caliber 1400 (there is an excellent article from Watch Time called "Try a Little Slenderness" in the Press Corner, it is worth the read). It also comes in automatoc with date (cal 2450) or without date (caliber 2460) the latter model is only available in certain markets (Switzerland, Italy, Japan...) but will be globally available in 2008. A fantastic rose gold black dial model was also made and available only in VC boutiques. They will be only available up til April/May  2008

There is also the new Patrimony Traditionnelle with a 38mm case, knurlled bezzel, a more massive case and lugs as well as two tone dials.

I own a Patrimony manual wind boutique edition and love it. It is a tad too big at 40mm and I would have prefered a 38mm case but it wears perfectly and the dial is drop dead gorgeous, slightly domed with its dagger markers and cabochons its a perfect modern reiteration of pices from the 50s. It has been getting an immense lot of wrist time for the past 6 months and I'm not getting tired of it

Merci aghaye Ghotbi :)
12/05/2007 - 15:39

Thanks for all the info. I find the self-winding Contemporaine ref. 85180, to be a very interesting - in white gold. I like the fact that it is a very discrete watch that doesn’t stand out too much. On the contraire to our fellow country men who love watches like AP Royal Oak (mainly I assume since HRH Farah Diba used to wear one) I like the low profile ones. In my line of work as consultant it is never good to flash into clients face, but here I have found an extraordinary timepiece that I can go around and enjoy wearing without “annoying” anyone ;)


I have seen on several places that the size of the watch is 40 mm in diameter, but do you have any idea how thick it is? Especially the self-winding one. I am ok with the size, since I am pretty big boned and small watches look ridiculously weird on my wrist. I love for instance Jaeger LeCoultre Ultrathin which I think is a perfect watch in steel – no seconds, no dates – pure and elegant. However it is only done in 34mm and it vanishes on my wrist…


I just need to find an AD in a country nearby where I can see the watch in reality and try it on...


Thanks again


the automatic is I think 5.5mm thick but I'll check to give you the
12/05/2007 - 15:56

correct answer.

oops its 8.31mm, the manual wind is 6.70mm (nt)
12/05/2007 - 22:19


Thank you Alex...
12/05/2007 - 23:14

...with a diameter of 40 I think 8.3 should still feel thin...which is good...compared to other automats I have looked at as dress watch such as the Glashütte Original Senator Automatik which is 40 in d and 9.4 i height and that felt fine...

I still need to "try" it..have to do it elswhere since the last AD where I live stopped with VC during the fall. They claimed they couldnt handle the pressure from customer wondering about the long service and delivey times...a bit would have been nice to have a local AD...

Thanks again for the info


Hi Xerxes
12/05/2007 - 11:29

patrimony seems like a good choice for a dress watch. I personally wear a Patrimony Contemporaine YG, manual wind. I hated the watch when I first saw it. But then I tried it on and found a brand new one which was an unpassable deal. And I've been loving it ever since. 

I like rather big watches so the 40mm case is just what I need. Great timepiece...

Since you are new to the Lounge I just recommend that you take a closer look at our HL watch contest and participate in the final voting. You migt actually find something to your liking... And a Patrimony Bi-Retro seems like a favorite around here.  

Re: Hi Xerxes
12/05/2007 - 23:26

I have a big wrist so I dont mind big watches...however I dont like hightowers..but this one doesnt seem to be a high yeah I think I have found the right watch...I will join the contest def!!



Re: Patrimony
12/05/2007 - 15:34

Hello Xerxes,

I was in a similiar position to you.  I have a Rolex that I wear when playing around with my kids or on the weekends dong stuff.   I wanted to get a dressier watch.  I chose the Patrimony Bi-Retro.  At first, i thought it was a bit large at 42.5mm on my 7 inch wrist.  But after having it now for about a month, I couldnt imagine wearing anything smaller, and when i do wear the Rolex it feels tiny.  I love the Patrimony and wear it pretty much everyday, though i switch to the Rolex when i get home to play with my kids.  The Rose Gold is classy enough to be a dress watch but also understated to wear everyday.  I have had multiple people ask me about my watch and say it looks great.  Where i live though, im sure Vacheron is unknown by everyone.  I think you would really like the Patrimony series, i think especially in Rose Gold it makes a nice dress watch, or even casual one.

Just my thoughts. I wish you luck in choosing!


Re: Re: Patrimony
12/05/2007 - 23:23

Nathan, Its a nice watch with nice complication...there seem to be two different versions of that too...I saw another version in a while back. It also seem to be a popular model among the Patimonies. Need to see it in live!!



Re: Patrimony
12/05/2007 - 23:09

I think it is a good choice, and personally, if you can, go ahead for the Boutique model, black dial with PG!

It is worth it.

And of course, welcome to HL

Re: Re: Patrimony
12/05/2007 - 23:19

Thanks Anka, the black one is beautiful...almost too beautiful since I'd like the watch to have the low profile...I dont know I am going back and forth on this...main thing is I need to get myself to an AD and see the model live...then maybe I can decide...or it might get worse :)