Patrimony 86180


I was narrowing my choices & had whittled it down to the 86180 Auto (PG) with date. I am not able to locate a review of this and was wondering if any such is available and the owners personal experience with this. Also, some details of the movement would help. Further, how large is the date font and  is it clearly visible or is it a strain.

Would welcome any inputs.

Many thanks.

I do recall someone bought this piece And posted pics on VC
09/28/2013 - 17:56
Four?m on The Purists a few months ago. Not very long actually. You might want to do a search and see that post. From what I remember of seeing this piece, I think the date is just right. The movement is calibre 2450 SC. It is the automatic version with date at 6 and central seconds version of this amazing VC movement. Calibre 2455 is the same movement but used in the Patrimony Traditionelle automatic where the date is at 3 Nd sub seconds at 9. Third, there is the calibre 2460 SC, which is without date, and used a lot on Métier D ARts pieces and now the new HIstoriques 1951. Also the same movements power the QDL'S with date, and it is calibre 2460 QH. All are just different variations of the same automatic and is a truly awesome automatic movement. You cannot go wrong with your choice of 86180.
I wish to add that the few VC's with mid complications
09/28/2013 - 18:47
Such as the PAtrimony COntemporaine retrograde day date, world time, Chinese zodiac (dial with 4 apertures), QDL'S with day date and I think the QDL'S annual calendar are all based on the automatic I mentioned in earlier post.
I believe ref 86180 has no date
09/30/2013 - 18:01
The version with a date is Ref 85180, which I think uses cal 2450. I do not have personal experience with it, but Cal 2450 has the Geneva Seal and there is some information about this in a post from 2007: The date is a "regular" size, which is visible..but not like a "Big Date" as in the OS Chronograph.
Dan is correct. But the ref 86180 is no longer in production.
09/30/2013 - 20:42
If you are lucky you might find some pieces with dealers or even at VC boutiques. I did see one at a VC boutique a few months ago. I think VC needs the calibre without date for its Métier D Arts pieces, the HIstoriques 1907 and now 1951. Probably a capacity issue since they make so few pieces a year circa 18000-20000.
Re: I believe ref 86180 has no date
10/01/2013 - 13:43
Thanks Dan on clarifying the model # and the date issue. The link on Cal 2450 was a very interesting read. Best