Good day my fellow loungers.
I am considering letting go of my 49140 Overseas and looking at the possibility of replacing it with either a Patrimony 81180 or an Overseas 4704.
The reason for this was despite me loving the 49140, is I LOVE the look of the overseas on a leather strap. I've seen what the 4704 looks like on a leather strap and I love the look. In addition to this the bracelet on the 4704 is fantastic and I've heard many call it, the best bracelet on a watch period, high praise indeed. The problem is when you get to this level, you get within the price range of the Patrimony 81180....
The 81180 (18kt WG) has the advantage of having the geneva seal and an in-house Vacheron movement. I do think that the Patrimony will be slightly limited in terms of wear (i.e dress only) where the overseas is a great all rounder and with a leather strap can be worn as a 'dressy' watch. One of the other reasons I am drawn to the Patrimony is that it is essentially what Vacheron are famous for, dress watches. I have a JLC Master Ultra Thin Reserve de Marche as my 'dress watch' and Rolex GMT II and Speedy Pro are my daily wearers (along with the 49140). If I were to get the Overseas I would definately keep the other three however if I went for the Patrimony I'd most likely sell the JLC but keep both the GMT II and Speedy Pro.
The 4704 wears nicely on me, however the 81180 to my eyes wears very large (maybe because the dial is big). Pictures below of my wrist wearing the patrimony and overseas on bracelet and with a strap (gold version). If I go for the overseas I will have both the bracelet and the leather strap (purchase with bracelet and buy the strap after).
I actually conversed with people in both the New Bond St boutique and in the Watch Gallery regarding the Overseas movement. When stating it has a JLC base they both challenged me stating it was all Vacheron. The watch gallery salesperson was adamant that this Overseas was 100% in house and 100% vacheron. The VC boutique salesperson was explaining that the reason the overseas doesn't have the geneva seal is that it's built in a different factory outside of geneva, but again when I questioned the movement origins which I am 99% sure are JLC, he simply stated, it's 100% Vacheron. A quick visual check of the cal 1226 and to me that definately looks like a modifued JLC movement.