pls help me to find me the reference number!!

HI!   I need  to  know  reference  number  for  this  one----   

thank you!

pls  help  me   to  find me  the  reference  number!!

pls  help  me   to  find me  the  reference  number!!

  
with an interesting bumper winding system. However a ref
02/15/2011 - 17:52
numberrefers to a case type so you may need to look inside the case back...if your watch does have a case.
Re: pls help me to find me the reference number!!
02/15/2011 - 17:55
Reference Number originally referred to the reference photograph in V&C's archives, which were numbered sequentially by date of entry.  Those numbers became useful to refer to a particular model once series production became common, so now a Reference Number is actually a model number.  A specific V&C model has several elements; the case and dial, strap or bracelet,  and movement calibre.  Interestingly, the dial design and case material are quite variable within a single model reference.  Your photograph reveals a 12 ligne cal. 477 bumper-wind movement and a guilloche dial of 1950's style.  These alone will not establish the reference number of the original watch. If you have access to the case, the numbers engraved on the inside of the case back may reveal what you want to know.  Vintage V&C watches around that period did not always have their reference number engraved on the case - only the case serial  number.  In those examples, archival or verified auction photos would be required to confirm which model you have.  This case back is from a 1950 Ref. 4536 which, as you see, doesn't have the reference number indicated. In this example, the Reference Number is 6394.  This is a non-date model, as the date version would have 6394Q engraved.  Below that is the case serial number, which is recorded in the archival records along with the movement serial number and together used by the Patrimony Department to verify authenticity.  Below the case number is the case maker's Responsibility Mark, which identifies both the region and manufacturer of this specific case.  The same case maker is almost always used for the entire model production.
Great tutorial, Dean!
02/17/2011 - 14:31
Thanks for sharing these very interesting details -- I learned a lot! Best, Gary
Reference Number Database
02/17/2011 - 17:17
Thanks Gary .  More info on reference numbers can be found in this thread from 2009: Wristwatch Reference List 1889 to 1999.
Re: pls help me to find me the reference number!!
02/19/2011 - 16:12

Thanks !!!!  i dont have the case ,but list of tables can help me!

if you don't have case then you don't have a reference number as
02/19/2011 - 18:22
the case gives the reference number.