Hello everyone, I was hoping I could spare your collective Vacheron brains in order to identify a gold pocket watch. Anything you can tell me about it would be brilliant, particularly if you think it's original/genuine. I'm told it's c1850 and its approx 48mm. Images below... Many thanks in advance
04/19/2011 - 01:27
Sorry my friend....
04/18/2011 - 00:51
Thanks for providing good pictures with your enquiry...it helps alot! So many possibilities with a vintage pocket watch; is the case and movement genuine, or just the case, or the movement? Vacheron & Co. has never been a trade name, just Vacheron à Geneve for a short period prior to Constantin. By the time of these so-called Swiss Bar movements, Vacheron et Constantin was the trade name. The spelling "Co." leads me to think this piece was made for the English-speaking market. A 3-digit case number is incorrect...it should be 5 digits. The movement is typical Swiss but untypical of V&C. They did sign these larger movements on the visible side. Also characteristic was a radial alignment of the bridges instead of the parallel placement of your piece. Taking all these elements together I would suggest that it is not a real V&C. Here is a picture from an auction site of an 1845 V&C movement:
Sorry Dean, my friend but
04/18/2011 - 01:57
in middle of 19 th century, during a couple of two to three years, Vacheron had that name, but only for export of cheap models! But the text was in another layout. OTH the movement has no hallmarks or identity so it can't be the original. Anyhow a nice pocket, even though it's not worth so much money, take care of it! Source: I like it, it's classic Cheers Doc
Duh...I should have looked in The Book...
04/18/2011 - 02:54
Thanks for the correction Doc . I also found a movement marked Charles Vacheron & Co from 1869 and another labeled Veuve C. Vacheron & Co from 1870s, although the dial and cuvette are in the Swiss manner "Cie". Still, I've not yet seen a cuvette signed in the manner of "Vacheron & Co". Considering the 3-digit case number and none of the usual hallmarks, do you think the case is genuine?
No I don't think the parts were meant to be put together.
04/19/2011 - 01:27
Vacheron had greater capacity for movements than watches, especially after that the Pantograph was invented by Leschot. So they exported movemenets, mostly with some type of sign, it should have been the sign I showed, and also 'empty' cases, but much more seldom. They exported full hallmarked movements and cases to Tiffany! And also, especially later to Cartier, my wife has a Cartier with V&C movement! The back on this watch, was probably made in USA or in Italy. BTW I think that catalogue from 1994, is the best of all Vacheron%Constantin publications, followed by the catalogue from 2005, the Millennium aiuction. Cheers Mats
Re: No I don't think the parts were meant to be put together.
04/19/2011 - 02:15
Mats and Dean, Thank you so much for the insights. Your knowledge (and willingness to share it) is impressive and much appreciated. So, likely not an original Vacheron but a very nice little pocket watch all the same. Does that seem a fair conclusion? It does beg the inevitable question as to its provenience and a speculative valuation..
NO - Pocket Watch ID - 1850s
04/23/2011 - 11:09
This is not one V-C pocket watch, dear pilot :)