Pocket Watch Identification

My father just handed down to me a pocket watch that belonged to his father.  The inscription on the interior of the watch is "Echappement horizontal"  "Aiguilles"; "Quatre Trois en Rubis";  No.  66373

The number 66373 appears on the back of the movement as well as the interior of the case (which appears to be gold).

How do I verify that this is infact a V&C (which is inscribed in the movement) and what year it was made?  On the back of the gold case is an picture of a church and the words "La Hoye".

Thanks in advance for any help.

Curious George

Re: Pocket Watch Identification
02/18/2008 - 22:01

Curious George,

Welcome here first of all, and to really be able to give any advice pictures are needed, both of the dial, the case back, the opened case, and the movement.... 66373 would make it somewhere 2 centuries ago (1850 to 1900).

We would really need pictures though...

But in the hope of confirmation: well done!!! It could be a really big treasure you got there!

Yup difficult to give any info without scans Welcome to The Lounge :-)
02/18/2008 - 22:08

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Re: Yup difficult to give and info without scans Welcome to The Lounge :-)
02/18/2008 - 23:25

Thanks for the welcome.

Here are some pics of the pocket watch in question. Thank you for any assistance!

I uploaded all your scans in one post. This is the first time I see a
02/18/2008 - 23:46

watch with only the initials!

I'll check but maybe Doc can chip in.

Re: I uploaded all your scans in one post. This is the first time I see a
02/18/2008 - 23:50

is it possible that the V&C was added at a later date, implying it's not real.... :-(

Sorry, I don't think it's a true VC.
02/19/2008 - 00:26

Sorry George, as Alex says, the sign V&C doesn't appeal to me at all.

For some years in the beginning of 20th century, Vacheron&Constantin used just V&C,

but then with a frame around it.

I never seen any, so they are rare,

but I know it from litterature about VC's hallmarks.

Always when they wrote V&C, BTW never in this type of letters,

they put below, Vacheron&Constantin or Ancienne Vacheron&Constantin.

VC made a lot of realitively cheap movements and watches, but they called it other names,

like Trident, Astral etc, or without name, for export mostly to USA.

Anyhow, this is my opinion.

Wellcome to Hour Lounge, there are many vintage pocket VC's,

that you can get for a low sum on the market anyhow,

so don't give up

This is examles from 1909 and 1910 :

Doc

Re: Sorry, I don't think it's a true VC.
02/19/2008 - 01:22

Thank you for the information.

Do you have any pictures of pocket watches made closer to 1850?  I'm wondering if there was much difference in the manufacturing quality between pocket watches made in 1850 vs 1910? Also, curious if V&C has records for each serial number produced?  If the face was removed, would there be any more information there that could identify it?

(Apologies for the questions.... I don't know anything about watches!)

George

I spoke to VC and the numbers actually match. They can't say if the
02/19/2008 - 17:26

watch is authentic without seeing it but the case and movement numbers correspond to a watch made in 1850.

well, now I am eagerly waiting so see how this ends... :-) (nt)
02/19/2008 - 18:15

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Re: well, now I am eagerly waiting so see how this ends... :-) (nt)
02/20/2008 - 03:38

Being an newbie to horology, does anyone have any recommendations as to what I should do now?  I live in Calgary Canada.

Thanks!

There is only 1 way of knowing your watch is 100% genuine and that's
02/20/2008 - 10:56

by sending it to VC in Geneva and requesting a certificate of authenticity. Go to the VC web site www.vacheron-constantin.com then click on "services" then choose the "certificate of authenticity" section and it will explain the procedure.

Re: There is only 1 way of knowing your watch is 100% genuine and that's
02/20/2008 - 13:25

thank you Alex. You have been most helpful. I will post back my findings (might take a while!)

good luck! (nt)
02/20/2008 - 14:52

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Good luck! And a piece of advice
02/20/2008 - 17:12

Send the watch yourself. Dont' send it via an Authorized Dealer (they'll overcharge you for no reason whatsoever). I don't mind paying, but not be taken for an idiot.

If you think the watch needs servicing, now is the time to do it too. For a watch this old I would only send it to a specialized department such as the VC vintage people.

Patience is a virtue.

Re: Good luck! And a piece of advice
02/20/2008 - 18:22

Thank you for the advice Nico.

Am I correct in surmising that the vintage people are in Geneva?  What shipping method would you recommend (I'm thinking about reliability and insurance-wise); and what amount should I insure it for?

Thanks! (starting to get excited!)

George

you have all the info on the VC web site. You can also send it to
02/20/2008 - 19:17

the VC service center in Canada (details on the VC website) and they will take care of shipping the watch to Geneva.

Re: Pocket Watch Identification
08/10/2010 - 19:12
Hi curios george, I found the same watch, nr. 61962. Did you, at the end, find some info about your poket watch? Was it original? Tanks in advance, for your reply. Brgs. Gil