pocket watch identification

My parents just gave me this lovely Vacheron pocket watch which they found somewhere in The Netherlands at an auction but I cannot seem to find the model and its characteristics anywhere on the internet. Please could you help me by telling from around which year the watch is and, if possible, any more details? I will enclose some pictures for your convenience.

Thank you very much,

Jacqueline

pocket watch identification

pocket watch identification

pocket watch identification

pocket watch identification

Doc
04/05/2008 - 18:40
04/05/2008 - 22:22
Doc
04/06/2008 - 00:04
JB
04/05/2008 - 21:40
Doc
04/06/2008 - 00:13
04/07/2008 - 03:21
JB
04/08/2008 - 02:05
04/08/2008 - 03:19
Welcome to the Lounge Jaqueline, your watch looks as if it
04/05/2008 - 17:11

could date from the 1920s bacause of the finely worked case and enamel work but Doc is the specialist in this field.

The case being 14k and unsigned by VC but either by the case maker or the retailer shows that it was for export, possibly to the US.

Its a lovely watch, I particularly like the Gothic style numerals.

Jacqueline, very nice - enjoy it! (nt)
04/05/2008 - 17:46
Hi Jacqueline !
04/05/2008 - 18:40

It's a movement from Vacheron&Constantin, and it's from about 1907-1910.

The dial is also by Vacheron&Constantin, and is looking extremely fine, since it must be enamel.

I think it was in another watchcase before, probaly 18k gold and perhaps some rare stones.

Like this one I have from 1910.

This watch is in very good condition as you can see, but still not worth a fortune !

But if you had ordered such a watch to be made today, it would have costed a fortune ! 

My guess is that one owner has sold the original gold case and perhaps some diamonds,

to get some cash in the hard times during the depression, and than someone has put the movement in another case,

that has been empty probably because of a broken movement !

Just my pure guess

Anyhow it is not to be considered as a genuine Vacheron&Constantin,

but I think you shall keep it as a family treasure

Cheers

Doc

great watch Doc
04/05/2008 - 22:22

hey doc,

why u dont reviel ur art dec collection???????????/

Thanks!
04/06/2008 - 00:04

I t´hink I showed alot

Doc

Re: pocket watch identification
04/05/2008 - 21:40

Hi Jacqueline and Welcome!

Here's my take on your beautiful watch...

The movement number indicates that it was made between 1890 and 1900, although it may have been "cased" a little later. IMHO the movement is genuine VC. Its hard to tell from the photos but the gears may be "wolf's teeth". There is a slight curvature to them. That also (generally) indicates pre-1910.

However, I think the case was made in the US probably by the retailer (? BWC Co.). Its a lovely case with beautiful filigree work on the edges.  Many watch companies made movements for overseas markets and the retailer had the cases made. 14K gold rather than 18K was used commonly.

The dial as others have said is undoubtedly porcelain or enamel and is in unbelievable shape for a watch from that era. Someone either looked after it lovingly or kept it in a drawer and never took it out.

The gothic numbering are quite extraordinary and may even be unique in that elongated shape.

Anyway its a gorgeous watch. You can contact VC with the movement number (Perhaps Alex can help, if I may be impertinent enough to suggest!) and they may be able to tell you exactly when it was made and to whom it was sold.

Best Wishes, and Congratulations.

Keep it in good health.

Joseph

Re: Re: pocket watch identification
04/05/2008 - 23:11

hi Jacqueline,

One other point I forgot o mention.

The elongated font of the numbers particularly with the little curlicues (serifs) were much more common on dials made before 1880.

So its possible that VC had a few dials from an earlier period that they decided to "get rid of" and put them in a few watches destined for foreign markets.

The east coast of the US and Argentina were favourites.

Regards,

Joseph

Hi Joseph,
04/06/2008 - 00:13

I see it's 23 that it begins with, I read it as 28, that's why I dated it to late.

The referenses I have says that 1895 they started with 223 and1900 series started with around 256.

Either recased or cased in USA, I have one myself which is cased in USA, but it still bears the

hallmark of V&C on the case.

Most of the American V&C's I have seen has V&C's hallmarks on both movement and case,

but another name on the dial (!), Tiffany is one of many.

Cheers

Doc

Wow everyone!
04/07/2008 - 03:21

I am just a simple watch lover and try to collect beautiful things that  appeal to me but I never thought I would get such a big and friendly response from all of you! You have been a real good help!

To give you some more details:

The watch came in a leather box with purple velvet lining, inscription on the inside: H.J. Howe, Syracuse, N.Y. so it does seem to have been a watch for the US market like you all mentioned. Their is also an inscription in the watch: Mary & Lee from Mother 2nd Class '97. Now I don't know much about engraving but maybe it has been engraved in 1997? Odo you perhaps think this could have been done in 1897? On the inside case it says: Warranted 14K US assay. The case on the movement has number: 902678. In the movement itself it says: Vacheron & Constantin Switzerland 296242 adjusted. I'm quite curious from what year this watch is.... Can anyone tell something about the jewels? I will enclose some more pics. Thank you all again, you have been a great help so far and I'm definitely gonna keep this watch in a special place, it's such a lovely little thing which is just in perfect condition. I try to wear my old finds as much as possible but this one is in such a good condition....

Re: Wow everyone!
04/08/2008 - 02:05

Hi Jacqueline,

my guess is that the watch inscription is 1897. The font, the nature of a poket watch as a gift all point to turn of the last (1800-1900) century as wall as the other points I raised.

There are some jewels to count but I expect the number is less than 15, probably around 10.

I'll ask around and see if I can find out any more info.

Regards,

Joseph

insurance
04/08/2008 - 03:19

Thank you very much Joseph,

Regarding the fact it is quite an old pocket watch, do you think it is wise to insure it with my other "regular" watches? If it's value is no more than 1.000 US$ it should be fine but I have absolutely no idea what we are talking about here.... My parents bought it for EURO 650,= so I guess that should be ok?

I am really happy to know from around which date it is and it's also fun to hear the stories about certain Vacheron watches going to the USA to be encased there and sold there! We have a few other old pocket watches, most from IWC, this is my first Vacheron.

Thanks again,

Jacqueline

1897 or 1997? Could be any. I would say 1997.
04/08/2008 - 18:39

First of all, I like this watch. Nice.

The date of the inscription of 1897 or 1997 I think is still open to debate. The watch might be old, but if it is from "Mother" this could simply be an old watch with a new inscription given as a present to grandchildren or children.

I do not know when people started abbreviating years with an apostrophe, but if you find out that might help you decide whether it is 1897 or 1997. Did people use the form '94 in 1894? I don't know. Maybe someone knows already.