Possibly my first Vacheron...

Wednesday, December 31, 2008

Message Title: Possibly my first Vacheron...

Greetings, Gentlemen...this is my first post: and thank you so much for this fascinating forum!

My subject line reads “Possibly my first Vacheron...” simply because I have very recently acquired what I believed to be a Vacheron Chronograph from the 1940s to 1950s...but now I’m not so sure. I got excited when I ran into the opportunity to purchase the watch for a very nominal amount (right under the spot gold price of the bracelet alone...a young lady needed some very quick cash)...and I put the cart before the horse, buying the watch before understanding the authentication procedure.

Excuse me for being giddy, but I have never held a watch like this until now, and I cannot tell you folks how engrossed I have become over the past two days, just viewing this watch through a magnifier loupe. It is such a thing of rare beauty to watch the movements close up... At one point, I became so mesmerized as to feel I was in some kind of meditative state, almost drifting along with the movements...as though flowing like a fluid. Amazing!!

Now I think I know why so many are so taken and enamored with Vacheron Constintin!

But I’m still a tiny bit unsure...after reading of so many fakes out there, I have a sinking feeling that won’t go away until I authenticate this watch. Which is why I offer some questions for all of this forum.

Please refer to my (albeit somewhat crude) attached images and consider the following:

Numbers inside case back::::349926::::4072
Numbers/Letters on movement::::SWISS::::469957::::ADJ.TO TEMP::::NINETEEN 19 JEWELS::::492 <=(is this my Cal number?)::::VACHERON CONSTANTIN::::GENEVE.

Also, is a gold bracelet like this found on the original watch...or could it be a replacement/add-on? It seems gaudy compared to the leather bands? It is stamped:::: .750.

Also, a couple of the Roman numerals on the dial (face?) seem to have some soiling around them, as though adhesive has seeped onto the surrounding background. It isn’t just “awful” looking...but I’m wondering, “Can this be restored.?” Would it be worth restoring?

The crown seems a bit “skewed” or off center...but the watch winds fine & seems to be functional and keeping time.

If the watch is authentic...I may elect to restore it and cherish it. Otherwise, I will try to recover my cost, by offering it for the 18kt gold bracelet weight...I am so excited...but I would rather hear the truth than to delude myself in any way further!

Happy Holidays and Thank you all for your kind attention & comments.

Sincerely, Allen

Possibly my first Vacheron...

Possibly my first Vacheron...

Possibly my first Vacheron...

VI Numeral shows halo of some soiling

Possibly my first Vacheron...
could this bracelet be original to watch?

Possibly my first Vacheron...

Possibly my first Vacheron...

Possibly my first Vacheron...

Possibly my first Vacheron...
Some people have all the luck
12/31/2008 - 21:40
Looks like you lucked out there. The bracelet is likely not original, but not a bad accessory. You should get both the six digit numbers from the movement and case back and e-mail the company to see if they match, but it looks legitimate. Ref 4072 can be used to find comparable models from auction sites, and you can find values of other examples. I would guess it to be late 1940's. Nice get!
Re: Some people have all the luck
12/31/2008 - 23:49
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 WOW! Thank you, LSmith! This is the first vote of confidence I've received...but I surely will follow your suggestion and email Vacheron's site for further confirmation. Great news indeed. A good New Year to you & yours! Regards, Allen
First Vacheron...
12/31/2008 - 23:53
Hi Allen, It looks like you may very well be a lucky individual! It certainly does look like a Ref. 4072 The watch looks authentic inside and out but does require some TLC. I doubt that the bracelet is original though. The movement number indicates that it (the movement) was made around 1962-1963. The case number indicates manufacture about 1956-1960. But this is not necessarily a discrepancy nisce movement and case were not always made together. You would need to send it to Vacheron for proper certification but it would be worth it. They could also do some restoration or at least cleaning. If you want to see want  the 4072 looks like in good condition, there was one auctioned at the Antiquorum 250th Anniversary sale in 2005. Its lot # 155 (Page 274). Interestingly, that one had a movement number 466802, quite close to yours. The dial is slightly different but the case looks the same. Congrtulations, I hope. Regards, Joseph
welcome to the Lounge and to the world of VC:-) You are one lucky
01/01/2009 - 11:58
man; its a fantastic watch and a genuine one too
Re: welcome to the Lounge and to the world of VC:-) You are one lucky
01/01/2009 - 19:19
Thursday, January 1, 2009 Another vote of confidence! Thank You, Alex Ghotbi. I'm still processing all of this and preparing to make my next move & contact the company. A good New Year to you! Best Regards, Allen
This reminds me of a...
01/01/2009 - 19:53

"barn find", except not a claasic car but a classic watch. For those who don't know the expresssion a "barn find" is something like travelling to a remote area, going to an estate sale and finding a unrestored 1955 300SLR in great condition under a tarp in an old barn and buying it for a great price.  Great "watch find" wear it in good health! Ray 

I had a "barn find" triple date which was a disaster story which
01/01/2009 - 23:11
I had posted some time back click here to see the post
Congrats and wellcome to the Club,
01/01/2009 - 20:20
it's a beautiful Vacheron&Constantin from their, in this case, double sense "golden chronograph period", which BTW haven't stopped yet ! A piece of art to wear on your wrist, each and every day, so a nice wristshot would be wellcomed Vacheron&Constantin 1939, also all YG Hej! Doc
I love to hear of great finds like this!
01/03/2009 - 22:24
Another beautiful V&C rescued from an uncertain fate and hopefully soon to be restored!  I belive it's a redial unless the SWISS at 6 o'clock is just obscured.  But don't worry about it...enjoy
Too bad, already on fleabay....
01/04/2009 - 02:19

and the BS in his listing is almost as eloquent as the BS in his posting here   "This Vacheron Chronograph has been seen by industry professionals, and deemed to be the real article." This misuse of information and trust is really annoying...why can't we figure a way to deal with it better?