Question for the group about dial restoration

I'd like to lean on the collective wisdom of the group regarding a vintage Cioccolatone that I just acquired.  While the watch is in very good condition overall, there is some oxidation around the corners and edges of the dial.  I certainly don't want to have the dial completely redone, but what about having it cleaned and perhaps touched up by Vacheron?

How much can be done without adversely affecting the value or interest of the watch?
1st of all congratulations! Please do post scans, as for dial
12/15/2012 - 13:55
cleaning its complicated just to clean up a dial because the protective laquer needs to be removed and dial cleaned but you never know how the metal will react when laquered again, but this may vary case by case . I personnaly like some patina but factory refurbished dials can also look quite good (but can be quite expensive) and I would prefer the later to a damaged dial
A Preliminary Scan - more to follow next week
12/15/2012 - 20:17
I won't be able to pick up the watch until Monday, but here is a scan extracted from the catalog.  I would have any work done by VC and on that basis would be very interested in your thoughts, and those of my respected fellow loungers.
Actually, Alex posted a better photo on December 5th
12/16/2012 - 00:43
Dear Maberlin.
12/16/2012 - 11:30
What a great watch you have acquired. I have now been looking at the two pictures that you have posted. I have some VC watches in my collection from that period and I tend to believe that you will be satisfied with the dial as it is. The spots in the corner might not disturb you when the watch is on your arm. I'm not sure but if I'm looking above the 6 and 7 minutes indication there seems to be a problem. When the light is shining on the dial on that part it might be annoying but maybe that could be cleaned? (could also be the photo that highlights a part that isn’t there). I noticed that some of the 5 minute markers are spotted. That could be a frustration. I have listed a picture of a Ref 2019 A (from the 70s) that's in my collection. If you take a closer look at the 40 minute marker you will notice a small dark spot. That has actually been annoying me because it pops out when the light hits that part. Anyway it is just my opinion and I will be looking forward to seeing more pictures of your watch and also to follow the process of the dial if you should decide to have something done to it. Yours sincerely Kent
Thanks Kent - Nice 70s Watch!
12/16/2012 - 14:16
I believe that is a little bit of tarnish on thatt marker, and that can easily be cleaned and/or replaced.
unless those tiny spots really bother you I wouldn't have the dial
12/16/2012 - 10:53
Thanks Alex - Guess I'll wear it for a while and see (nt.)
12/16/2012 - 14:15
Congrats, you have been on a tear this year!
12/15/2012 - 15:25
Like Alex,  I'd like to see pictures of the dial. But in general, if it is just patina/oxidation, I would have it cleaned but not redone. For hands, I would prefer replacements. BR, Dan
Thanks Dan, I am truly done for the year now
12/16/2012 - 14:21
This one was unexpected.  At the last minute I decided it was an opportunity to pick up my first time-only VC, and an iconic model that actually looks great on my wrist, for a reasonable price. 
Considering that the year will end in a few days:-)
12/17/2012 - 10:57
Well, you are such a great role model ;-)
12/18/2012 - 00:04
I just made a small, very last minute, acquiaition yesterday as well.  devil   I hope to have it in my hands this weekend. If I didn't make a really wrong decision...I'll post it next week, surprise
Regarding redoing a dial.
12/15/2012 - 15:34
I hope that Maberlin will forgive me for joining in on this post. I have a question that is quite similar. I have a ref 4730. I actually decided to post some pictures of it some time ago, but because of the outer minute circle on the dial I decided not to do it after all. You will notice that it is not precisely done. I have seen similar mistakes on other dials with the circle/square line of the minute indication. It seems to be a common mistake when a dial is either enhanced or redone. When wearing the watch it’s not something that I notice but when blasted up with a micro lens it’s really hideous. The dial itself has a pearl like character that’s quite beautiful, so they did some of the work well. The markers are also placed pretty exactly. My question to Alex is as follow:   1: Do you know why a minute circle seems to be problematic to redo? 2: Is it possible to have Vacheron Constantin redo the dial and to make it with the “&”? 3: What would you recommend for a dial like this? 4: If there is a price for that kind of work, could you then indicate price range here or maybe send a mail to me?   I agree completely with Alex on the view on dials "I personally like some patina but factory refurbished dials can also look quite good (but can be quite expensive) and I would prefer the later to a damaged dial". Since I made the photos some time ago I thought that I would share the pictures with you. I spent some time trying to capture the voluptuous forms of this watch. The caliber ticking inside is a 466/3B. If you think that you have seen a similar watch / case then it could be lot no 203 from the "Quarter Millenium of Vacheron Constantin" published in 2005. The watch presented there has a beautiful cloisonne dial showing "North America". PS. The conniseurs of timepiceces from Vacheron & Constantin from the 50s will notice that the second hand is wrong. It was unfortunately in bad shape when I bought the watch so I had it replaced. I’m of course looking for a vintage second hand fitting the cal 466/3B. Cheers Kent    
Re: Regarding redoing a dial.
12/15/2012 - 19:41
Hi Kent, One of the problems in redoing a dial is lack of a proper template. I think that this may have been the problem on your watch with the minute circle. If the correct template is available the dial or parts therof can be easily redone. I'm sure VC would have the necessary ones. You will probably need to get an estimate from them. Those lugs are fantastic. A beautiful watch overall! Best, Joseph
Joseph is right it depends on the template, VC will have the original
12/16/2012 - 10:52
dial maker refurbish the dial so if the template is still available it shouldn't be an issue (which I don't think it will on your watch)
Thanks Alex.
12/16/2012 - 11:31
That’s good to hear smiley. I will send you an email one of the coming days. Thanks for taking the time to answer this question. Cheers, Kent
Thanks Joseph.
12/16/2012 - 11:26
You have certainly enlightened me. I'm sorry to hear that you have a dial that needs attention. Have you had a dial redone by VC where you have a photo before and one after? If you do, could you post it here or send me an email? Thanks for being such a dedicated Lounge member always taking time to help and advise other collectors. I wish you a good Sunday. Cheers, Kent
Re: Thanks Joseph.
12/16/2012 - 19:39
Kent, you are too kind. Always happy to help. The dial in question is not a VC. I have never had a VC dial redone in Geneva or elsewhere. But I have an Omega Cosmograph recently acquired at Christies, but I have a few contacts here in Toronto and I'm going to check those out first. The dial may only require some cleaning. It's not in too bad shape so the minor imperfections, a result of aging (like me) will stay. Best wishes, Joseph
It's a question I too have to face soon...
12/15/2012 - 19:37
But I would opt for the minimal amount necessary unless the dial has substantial damage or has major cosmetic defects. If there is just some dirt or debris that needs to be cleaned, that should easily be taken care of. I think a proper evaluation should be done and then you can make an informed decision. Joseph