A recommendation for people interested in checking the authenticity of a watch on THL


After many years of seeing people ask this type question, I have a suggestion for those earnestly looking to find out if their watch is authentic and/or would like to find out more information about a watch they have in hand.

A. Please read through Shady Joe's post: "Shady Joe's guide to spotting a fake Vacheron Constantin", (it is also listed in the Recommended Section).

B. Provide clear, pictures of:

  1. The dial
  2. The case back
  3. The inside of the case back
  4. The movement
  5. Any other specific, relevant, areas if your question pertains to a very specific issue.

    (Recognize that in order to take some of these pictures, you may need a watchmaker's assistance to remove the case back)

C. Please provide BOTH the case and movement serial numbers.  For VC watches, these numbers will be different.

D. Please state what specific question you may have about the watch.

E. If checking for authenticity, it would be great if you could describe why you think it might not be genuine to begin with (otherwise why would you even ask the question?).  Often, your answer will be found in Item A. listed above.

I hope you understand, these suggested steps and my intent are not meant to be a burden.  But for serious inquiries, the more information you can provide when you initially ask...the faster, easier and perhaps even more comments and feedback you will receive.smiley

Two last points:

  • When a watch is an obvious fake...Loungers do not usually go into the details about why its fake.  This is to try and prevent counterfeiters from improving their products with knowledge gained from us.  (This has been attempted in the past on both English and Chinese versions of THL, it is not a theoretical scenario.)


  • Although we try to help with these questions to the best of our collective knowledge...the only way to be 100.000% sure a watch is completely authentic (including dial, hands, crown, etc.) is to send it back to VC headquarters in Geneva.
An alternative...
04/14/2016 - 19:50

1. Ask Alex

2. Ask Dean

3. Ask Dan


Please don't :-)
03/16/2017 - 02:22

It gets redundant, especially when the vast majority of the answers can already be found through a simple search on THL and/or online search engines.

Also, no discussions on valuations of watches.
03/16/2017 - 02:02

If you want to know what a watch might be worth, you can check with the major auction sites, they all have online records of previous sales:





You can also directly contact these Auction Houses as well.


Dean is tick -talk ?
03/16/2017 - 02:27


03/16/2017 - 03:03
This needs to be a sticky Dan
03/16/2017 - 15:47

If possible a sticky titled something like "Is my watch genuine and how much is it worth?", or even less intrusive, a statement covering your points and a few more that must be read and acknowleged before new members can make their first post.  Actually, both!

In addition to your excellent list, I'd like to suggest The Guide to Spotting V&C here: http://www.thehourlounge.com/en/vacheron-constantin-discussions/tick-talks-guide-spotting-vacheron-constantin-627508, in particular the post; The Script, how to read a V&C watch.

While no single reference can be all-inclusive with V&C, with some initial reading and advice readily accessible to new posters we could hope those pieces that do come forward for discussion should be a little more interesting.

Between computers right now...hope to be fully functioning soon indecision

Re: A recommendation for people interested in checking the authenticity of a watch on THL
03/17/2017 - 03:13

Excellent list, Dan!

A very good guide to assessing a watch, particularly a VC.

You might include a list of reading references for anyone interested in VC's so that they may gain some insight into what real VC's are like, their history and their manufacture.

The VC website might be a good starting point.

But I think you will always have a minority of people, not knowing what he Hour Lounge is all about, as strictly a discussion group, will enquire as to whether a watch in which they are interested is real, fake or frankenstein and what its value is; not through malice or fraud but simply because they don't know. I think it would be a grave error to restrict access in any way.

And I think it's important to gently direct these people to find out more, as you have done.

I don't think one should nod de facto accept the worst case scenario. Perhaps that is naive. But this is a public forum and does after all reflect on Vacheron itself. 

You have clearly shown how to take the high road and I applaude you for that.


Thanks for the feedback so far Loungers
03/17/2017 - 04:38

I originally made this post 11-months ago, and thought it would be a good sticky.  Just to allow new members easy access to something that I think will help many that come to THL for information and advice.

I plan on consolidating my original post and adding several of the recommendations for good initial THL reading into a new post and making that a sticky.  When that happens, I will un-stick this thread.  (I believe that will be this weekend's project).

Ideally, I want and believe that THL should be all inclusive as it is THE authoritative, online, source for all things VC (thanks to all of the participants here!). 

My goal with creating this type of sticky is to allow new members quick access to information that can help them understand and answer a majority of their questions.  Ideally with some searching and self-learning (isn't this how all of us old-timers started off here? smiley)... questions and comments can be more specific, focused and interesting for all. 

Please continue to ask and provide any feedback in regards to this as you wish,  I'm always listening and want to make things easier. 

Thanks!  Dan

Re: Thanks for the feedback so far Loungers
03/17/2017 - 05:12