Rogues Gallery

These two current fleabay offerings have some problems.  Please feel free to make observations Rogues Gallery.

First, this Corps of Engineers pocket watch is described as "working".  "All sales final" and "ask questions before bidding" in bold emphasis tells me this seller knows exactly what is wrong...
Rogues Gallery

This one is more interesting from a forensics point of view...
Rogues Gallery
Bonus points if you can ID the 3 different calibers in this Franken!
12/16/2010 - 20:21
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12/20/2010 - 18:39
in the 2nd photo the plate is actually broken on the
12/16/2010 - 20:26
right side and the regulating index shouldn't look like that! I kindda have my doubts on the centre bridge as well....
Re: Rogues Gallery
12/17/2010 - 01:57
Horrible!  An insult to the brand we love.   I hope you file a complaint with Ebay when you see these frauds.  I always do and frequently get a response from the admins.
Three Calibers
12/17/2010 - 09:27
Three Calibers… 495 under the balance, 453 (the central train bridge and forth wheel), 454 barrel bridge and center wheel
Cal. P495 - P454
12/17/2010 - 13:44
Actually I carry this question for some time now and I think it is the best moment to ask. On Doc’s favorite book (AUGENWEIDE ARMBANDUHRE VACHERON CONSTANTIN byAnton Kreuzer) on the back cover is a photo of the movement, of the triple date moon face watch, from the front cover. If you look carefully the on the barrel bridge the mentioned calibre is P454/5B instead of P495. What do you think?  The typical P495 caliber 
That is a mystery!
12/17/2010 - 17:32
Well Mario, you have found a real mystery.  This is a translation from the German footnote for the movement photo:Page 24: The caliber of P454/5B. The wheel work bridge has the typical “nose”, which already coined/shaped the picture of the Vacheron calibers before the turn of the century. Well to recognize the decoration cross section is in form that Geneva stripe. This caliber is derived and dial-laterally equipped with the mechanism for full calendars and moon phase from the basis caliber of 453. See also the clock on page 21. A search of Antiquorum's database doesn't reveal a single example of the full calander, with or without moonphases, having a caliber 454 movement.  They do feature the 485 for full calendar and 495 with added moonphases.  My period V&C movement catalog confirms these configurations.  BTW, all of these are based upon the 12 1/2 ligne caliber 453. Two examples with the same non-standard movement is quite astonishing so the question now is whether these movements were assembled by the factory out of spare parts or afterwards as Frankens??Antiquorum Photo
Solved!
12/20/2010 - 18:39
Thanks to Alex and VC's Heritage Deptartment  I've been advised the case and movement do not match-up on the fleabay watch.  This leaves me thinking the piece featured on the front and back cover of Anton Kreuzer's otherwise very helpful book is also a franken
Another Interesting Example...
12/18/2010 - 05:30
This fleabay offering is actually a very nice watch, just being oversold.  Described as NOS and never worn, it has at least two service marks scratched inside the caseback. Also note the replacement Maltese Cross crown.   Considering the wonderful condition of this watch, these signs would indicate a very good restoration rather than NOS.  I'd be pleased to have a well-restored and serviced watch instead of one that has been in a drawer for 50 years with all the oils dried up and possible corrosion .