Saphire caseback on Overseas QP?

Why does'nt VC put a saphire caseback on the new OS QP? I know this is not an in-house movement, but with VC's amazing finishing, is'nt it worth exposing, especially on a QP? The patrimony traditionelle chronograph and chronograph QP both have exposed casebacks, despite not having an in-house movement.
09/05/2012 - 02:12
I think it is more about the antimagnetic property of the Overseas
09/04/2012 - 20:11
a quality VC is keeping even with this model for consistency of features in the Overseas collection. Bill
Bill is correct, the Overseas models have anti magnetic
09/04/2012 - 20:15
protection meaning the movement is placed in à soft iron cage and an open caseback would not have much meaning here. I guess an open caseback will see the light of day when the OS is launched with an inhouse movement
Re: Bill is correct, the Overseas models have anti magnetic
09/04/2012 - 20:37
Thanks Bill and Alex. Two questions- are the PP nautilus and AP RO (the ones with the exhibition caseback) not antimagnetic? So when the OS will have exposed caseback with inhouse, will the antimagnetic feature be removed, or will they find a technical way to keep it?
Neither the Nautilus nor the Royal Oak have anti magnetic features I
09/04/2012 - 23:25
don't think having it is such a great plus (something like having a dive watch going to 5000m depths) so I guess if an OS with display back is launched the anti magnetic protection will be done away with
Well, then they could remove the word "antimagnetic" from the chrono
09/04/2012 - 23:50
dial and please many folks who object to that writing in the seconds sub dial. wink Best, Robert
I'm for getting rid of all inscriptions on a dial other than the brand
09/05/2012 - 11:09
new escapement materials
09/05/2012 - 02:12
Although the Faraday cage of the OS is a time-tested feature, I'm definately hoping that with a fresh sheet the engineers at VC will use new non-magnetic materials available for escape wheel, balance spring and pallet such as silicon.  Then a display back would be possible while still retaining the long-term accuracy of an anti-magnetic movement...that would be having your cake and eating it too!
09/05/2012 - 02:40
To be a contrarian. I rather like the back with the engraved sailing ship. It's quite unique. They could offer it in a half hunter case as with the Chrono Perpetual.
Ah Joseph, what an idea the half hunter would be
09/05/2012 - 06:05
and add to the mystique of the line. Great idea. Best, Tim
thanks guys for all your responses...I noticed that VC has
09/05/2012 - 11:05
Updated its website to include both the new OS models. Alex, realistically how long before an OS with in-house is launched? 3-5 years?
you'll have to wait and see ;-)
09/05/2012 - 11:10
2015 seems like a very convenient and suitable year for big events
09/05/2012 - 20:22
i.e.  launch of VC in-house chronograph caliber. Would be great to make a tradition out of it to introduce great technical novelties every VC decade anniversarywink
I am with you, Joseph
09/05/2012 - 16:47
I love the back of the Overseas, and I would hate to see the solid caseback changed or lost on this line.  But VC seems to make good decisions on whether or not to use a solid back, so we'll see. I'll take it a bit further.  Regardless of the usefulness of the antimagnetic feature, as Alex questioned above, I think this is almost integral to the design and spirit of the Overseas as sportswatch ready for adventure, no?  I don't think it needs to be announced on the dial, but it is nice to know it is there. ;-) And, please no "advanced materials" replacing the traditional ones with regard to the functional parts of the movement for me.  There are other brands that have taken thate route, and good for them, but VC does not have to do this. AP, for instance, has found its own way on this issue by pioneering the use of non-traditional materials on the cases while using only traditional materials in the movements (at least the functional components). Best, Robert
I wonder if
09/05/2012 - 16:57
the same objections were heard when invar, nivarox and glucydur were introduced?  I'm a traditionalist as well but feel we must welcome innovations that truly improve timing performance.  Magentism is probably the single most common factor in the deterioriation of a mechanical watch's performance, especially in this day and age when we are constantly exposed to electromagnetic fields.  LOL, I even take my watch off to shave blush.
I'm all for progress too but some of the modern use of
09/05/2012 - 17:06
materials such as silicon hairsprings have not proven better but are just easier to produce and I'm not sure I like that! I also spoke recently to a watchmaker about the use of silicon escapements wondering what would happen if over the long term they proved ineffective or those producing them went out of business etc... could a movement be retrifitted with a traditional escapement? The anser was no. I like the idea of having one watch with all these technical gimmicks/ameliorations (scratch one) but need to feel assured in the long run
09/05/2012 - 17:15 I'll be thinking of you when I am shaving , Dean!  laugh I am sure you are right.  You know much more about this subject and its history than I do.  Thus far I have owned but one watch with a silcone escapement, so my experience is limited.  I have to go shave now.  Robert
Re: Great....
09/05/2012 - 18:09 Guys sure do love the Overseas ! You sure have Convinced me about its value. I like the dual time OS With black dial very much. It will be interesting to see VC experimenting with Newer materials etc in the future.
Apologies, kk...
09/05/2012 - 19:41
...that this thread got a little off track from your original post and question.  But, yes, you have detected that there is some passion where the Overseas is concerned.  Best, Robert
Overseas and...
09/05/2012 - 20:31
Seamaster. I also own several Seamasters from Omega. I doubt they are going to change their backs any time soon. Their logo is also quite distinctive. I'm not sure PP has had all the success with silicium that they were hoping. BTW I use either a Gillette Fusion, a safety razor from Merkur with the old double sided blades or a staight razor. Iown several, French, German and Japanese. laugh
Reminds me of the collector of razor blades...
09/05/2012 - 20:38
featured in Vacheron Constantin's "Collector's Island" book. Is there any chance that your favorite opera is Rossini's Barber of Seville and favorite musical Sondheim's Sweeney Todd? :-) Bill
Contrary away Joseph :-)
09/05/2012 - 21:23
In the words of my old boss, "if two people always agree, one of them isn't needed".  I do like your concept of a hunter, assuming the movement is extra thin, so that case thickness isn't increased, and the hinge doesn't present a weakness for heavy-duty daily use.  One characteristic in the OS genetic recipe that I'd hate to see lost is its robustness yes.
I nominate you, Dean, to field test...
09/05/2012 - 22:03
a half-hunter cased Overseas. :-) Are you going to try another Himalayan summit? Bill
Leaving tomorrow Bill
09/05/2012 - 23:13
for a place close to home; Mount Robson.  Getting lazy though - we're helicoptering to base camp to increase our time available to summit.  This is the view I'll be looking at for the next five days:
We start with a watch fit for sea travel and end up on a summit:-Lucky
09/05/2012 - 23:16
You Dean :-)
thanks Alex
09/06/2012 - 03:06
I'll never turn down a bit of extra luck smiley  Hope to have some killer pics when I get back
Somehow I don't see a hunter's caseback on a sports watch...
09/05/2012 - 23:37
Don't wanna be a party pooper but I share Dean's doubts in that respect. I would rather opt for either the current caseback which is awesome or for a straight see-through caseback which is likely to be incorporated with the launch of the in-house chronograph caliber. ROO hasn't had a clear caseback until very recently. And IMHO it doesn't improve the overall design significantly.
There is one other possibility...
09/06/2012 - 02:27
which is not perfect and may obscure the movement slightly. Make the back transparent but etch/engrave the saling vessel into the glass, either on the inside, or outside, if you want a 3-D relief. Voila, problem solved...sort-of indecision Joseph
Ooooh Joseph
09/06/2012 - 03:04
perhaps a hologram?
Sure, why not?!
09/06/2012 - 03:36
And as you tilt the watch slightly, it looks like the ship is moving over the waves Why stop there? You could embed one of those little chips that play music in a birthday card...and as the ship rises and falls on the waves, the watch plays the Korngold's score for Captain Blood...over and over again. It gives new meaning to the term "repeater" laughcool (Couldn't resist..sorry)
alex, a separate forum only for the OS?...
09/06/2012 - 13:52
...Might generate more traffic than THL. At least this specific post has convinced me of The value of the OS. Its a lovely range, and the Antimagnetic feature is a great one.
I see your idea but no, we shouldn't want to make the OS go the Royal
09/10/2012 - 11:11
Oak road