Talk me out of Selling my Patrimony 31 day Retrograde!

Been away for a while and thus, serves me right for such a silly thought. But I put my beautiful Patrimony 31 day Retrograde up for sale :(. I got the bug to own an AP, and was thinking of acquiring the 26330 rose gold day date. Now I am having second thoughts. The Patrimony is such a classically elegant watch at 37mm. I love the Roman numerals and the guilloche dial. Am I making the wrong move?

I am keeping my Overseas Dual Time and Toledo 


Agreed, give it away!
12/30/2014 - 17:37

Welcome back wink

Re: Talk me out of Selling my Patrimony 31 day Retrograde!
12/30/2014 - 17:42

Not sure why my pics came out sideways....

Why do you want to sell a watch which looks like no other and not easily found for
12/31/2014 - 08:59

One which you can get any day of the week?

now if you want to send me your watch that's another story :-)

Don't do it!
12/31/2014 - 14:45

You have now a very beautiful collection of VCs with those three watches, each one displaying different strengths of the manufacturer. These three give you such nive variety in metals, shapes, sizes and functinos.  You have already chosen well and composed a solid collection. 

Since you have invited us to persuade you...if it were me, I would not trade that beautiful VC retrograde, which is really quite special, for the AP day-date that you are considering.  The AP can wait and even then, why not go for a simple yet iconic AP Jumbo?  The AP day-date, while a very nice watch, does not compare well to the VC retrograde, IMHO.  The lugs, the dial, the retrograde date...there is so much to love about this VC.

Let us know what you decide.


Re: Don't do it!
01/01/2015 - 10:41

Thanks so much for everyone's support. I'm in a plateau phase in my watch collecting, and I guess I am/was looking for something new. I will certainly reconsider and in the best case scenario, add to my VC collection....any suggestions?

On a side note, the ALS Zeitwerk has caught my eye...

Hang on for the new OS
01/01/2015 - 20:19

with inhouse movement, then perhaps you may wish to part with the Dual Time devil

Dont sell. Lovely watch.
12/31/2014 - 15:55


I can only
01/01/2015 - 16:47

echo respo - Robert comment.

Not for that AP, at the most, for a jumbo but then, why not for another VC with K1121? cheeky

Re: Talk me out of Selling my Patrimony 31 day Retrograde!
01/02/2015 - 15:41

I was almost going to click the 'report to moderator' on the basis of blasphemy!

In all seriousness, I would keep that Patrimony. Why? The Patrimony is the essence of what VC is all about, the retrograde complication is loveley and the dial is stunning. The only watch I think you could potentially swap it for is the current VC retrograde model. Personally I think at 37mm and with the large lugs,your version is perfect. These are rare and do not come up that often. I think you would regret selling, but only you know if you love the watch and if it gets worn oftern. i find I sometimes purchase a watch that I like but if it doesn't get wrist time there's no point having it.

If you want the AP I would suggest swapping the Overseas and getting the AP RO (I prefer the jumbo personally.

Alternatively as suggested by others, wait for the Overseas Gen 3!


Re: Re: Talk me out of Selling my Patrimony 31 day Retrograde!
01/04/2015 - 08:17

Lol, yes it is blasphemy for me to consider parting with such a beautiful Patrimony. Fortunately, I've priced it a bit high and will likely hold onto it. 

It does make sense comparing apples to apples and trading my Overseas for an AP if I did move to an AP. But boy do I love my Overseas...gets the most wrist time.  

Don't do it!!!
01/06/2015 - 22:08

Hi,  sorry about being late, but being a fellow owner of this watch - I say don't do it.

Over the past 15 years, VC has only made 3 watches with a retrograde hand and there are not many of them around.  Retrograde is actually a tradition that goes back to the 1930s when VC created a minute repeater, perpetual calendar watch in a tonneau case with a retrograde hand (one of the earliest retrograde wristwatches).

Mine says hello and pleads with you to keep it:

Don't do it!!!


If needed, I'll send you one of these shirts that matches the pattern on the dial! winklaugh

Don't do it!!!


A small detail: Ref. 47245 was introduced in 2000 for VC's 245th Annversary and it pre-dates the Patrimony line,  technically part of the "Complication" Collection.  When I first got mine, I knew it wasn't considered a Malte (though it has similar lugs to the Maltes of that time) and I knew it wasn't a Patrimony.  Confirmation about it being from the "Complication" Collection comes from my VC Extract from the Archive for this watch.

BR, Dan

Re: Don't do it!!!
01/08/2015 - 15:54

Hi Dan,

Thanks for the fantastic info! I did not know VC made such few retrograde pieces. Do you have more info on the movement of our pieces?

Absolutely love that shirt with the guilloche :) and the cuff link to match the case!

I'm going to wear my Retrograde today to rekindle the fire!