Through an unusual series of events...

My Patrimony Contemporaine has been returned (don't ask...) and now the choices are: 1. A new Patrimony Contemporaine WG 2. Dual Time Regulator either White or Rose gold (just for you Doc!J. 3. Something else Vacheron. What do you folks think? Clearly it's a different price, but let's ignore that. What would you do? All the best
well if you had chosen the Patrimony Contemporaine
05/05/2007 - 04:44

in the first place its because its the watch that had spoken to you most so wy not give it another try? If you're on the market for a "time only" why not consider the new Patrimony Traditionnelle automatic?

There is also the Toledo 1952 which is a bit more expensive then the Malte DTR but definately worth a look.

PS: Glad things turned out well with your Patrimony.... 

Re: well if you had chosen the Patrimony Contemporaine
05/05/2007 - 06:24
Superstition - I'm stupidly superstitious. It didn't work out for a reason, so perhaps I should look elsewhere. OK, will ad Toleda 1952 to the list. Thanks Alex and I think things have worked out as well as they could - I just hope there are no further issues when I make a decision. Cheers
How about changing metal colors? I tried on the RG Patrimony
05/05/2007 - 12:23

Contemporaine the other day and found it superb.

DTR Movement...
05/05/2007 - 15:55
If I stick with the Patrimony Contemporaine, my preference is white gold. I don't know much about the DTR movement (is it in-house, modified ?). Is it a robust watch? The only think a Toledo or DTR offers is more wearability - the Patrimony Contemporaine may not get much usage (it screams "tux", rather than suit).
the DTR is based on a
05/05/2007 - 17:20

Piguet 1160 ebauche heavily modified to make it into a regulator style indication, the dual time is a VC module.  The Toledi is is based on a JLC ebauche with VC date and moonphase module.

The Patrimony does look good with a suit just because of its size. Have you considered the Patrimony Contemporaine automatic which may seem a bit less dressy since its not as thin as the manual wind model?

Re: Through an unusual series of events...
05/05/2007 - 18:34

Hello Hatari

I would suggest going with the Patrimony's mainly a dress watch but at times it can be worn with nice casual attire. The movement is superb and there is something unique about winding the watch on a daily basis. Just my 2 cents. Reloj

It's your choice!
05/05/2007 - 19:57


I'm afraid that the more you keep on asking for advice,

the more confused you will be.

It's your choice!

Come back when you have bought it,

and post a pic, but let it be your own decision :-)

Follow your intuition!

Good luck!


Just a little fun Doc, not advice
05/06/2007 - 02:00
It's just a little fun Doc. I've never bought a watch that I didn't personally love. The series of events just leaves me in a position to reconsider and I thought I'd post and see people thought - rather than asking advice really. Nevertheless, thanks and I will (as I have before) post pics. Cheers
yeah, keep us posted on what you choose (nt)
05/06/2007 - 10:51


BTW how about the Patrimony bi-retrograde? It isn't in the same
05/06/2007 - 11:26

price league as the time only Patrimony but its a damn cool watch!

Yep, Alex !
05/06/2007 - 11:29

But we never saw it :-)

Have to visit la Maison soon!

Good luck today :-)


Re: BTW how about the Patrimony bi-retrograde? It isn't in the same
05/06/2007 - 14:30
I think it's similarly priced to the DTR (I think..). Stop confusing me Alex! ;) Thanks. I've got plenty of great input. I will present to the boss tonight ;) Enjoy your Sunday!
Re: BTW how about the Patrimony bi-retrograde? It isn't in the same
05/07/2007 - 05:38

I find this watch way too big. The older retrograde was better sized, although I would like to see a slightly better design come out (malte sword hands? I love those)...

Hi Hatari!
05/06/2007 - 11:26


it's always fun, but there is a risk!

I have been through these "discussions",

and about 10 months ago I did by a watch,

only because of such a thread of opinions.

I wasn't sure, so I started asking and viewing other posts,

about that certain model.

I'm selling it now, at a considerable loss, to a friend,

because to me it immedeately became a "vault queen" !

That's the danger with getting too many opinions :-)


an opposite view
05/06/2007 - 14:20

Hi Doc,

Which watch are you talking about?

I had a recent experience and the watch I chose (the Urwerk 103) has beome one of my all time favorite watches :-)

I'm talking about,
05/06/2007 - 15:44

the JLC Master Compressor Chronograph!

I was taken away by all the publicity by JAW at the Purists,

all the positive talk about the new movement and it's function.

All the pics, 100s, and the positive feedback from new owners,

and it had real dark leatherstrap :-)

so I chosed it,

instead of a Overseas Cronograph...

Now I, as well as you, know that I don't have any use for a chronograph longer,

so for me it will be the manual RG manual Patrimony :-)


How can you live without a
05/06/2007 - 15:50

chronograph and still call yourself the king of pasta? :-)

LOL !! Pasta is for you, youngsters!
05/06/2007 - 15:57

When you get matured you realise,

that you don't need a chronograph to Russian Caviar :-)


You're kidding!
05/06/2007 - 14:28
I hear you on the risk. For me it's only what I think and then what my wife thinks. My next watches are the IWC Pepetual Port (on order now) a Vacheron (either the DTR or Patrimony Contemporaine). Thanks for sharing Doc. BTW, what type of DTR do you have - yellow or rose gold? I like the Rose and it comes OEM with a black strap (which I'd change to deep dark brown if I went that way). I will keep you posted as to the decision. No dilly-dallying here, will do it by tomorrow. Off for a nice early morning ride on the motorcycle on a glorious spring day in Toronto. All the best!
You take your bike and
05/06/2007 - 15:54

I take mine :-)

It's a good place to sort out your thoughts !

My DTR is YG, but it's a deep YG, nealy as the very light RG of the Patrimony,

it was really difficult to see any big difference, when I held them beside each other,

Thursday this week.

Dark brown strap you shall have, mine was not dark enough from the beginning,

and it's only becoming lighter.

Alex says always, when we meet : " Doc, you should have that strap changed!".

So I will. Promiose :-)

And Hatari read also my response to Alex, please!

Wish you a nice ride :-)

But do as I do, consider every car as a moose !!


And every Moose as a car...
05/06/2007 - 17:31
Had a great ride (I have a retro Ducati Sport Classic ). I went past a flea market and a fellow had a 1932 Vacheron gold watch - wanted $6k (no papers, authentification etc.). And I thought these antique/flea markets were places to find bargains! Keep well Doc and ride safe. PS What do you wear while riding? A Panerai ;)
One of these most often :-)
05/06/2007 - 18:16