A Treasure found & my 1st VC!

Hello to all!

Recently we found a Vintage Bank bag, inside of it, are Bank Bonds and Stock Certificates

all dating from the late 1920's to the early 1930's.  Within this bag we also found a Vintage

VC wrist watch.  The styling is square with flared lugs and a solid gold flexable band.  Not knowing anything about

vintage watches, the student in me went to work.  I have studied every photo gallery avaliable on line, read through many books and can not find anything the same?  The case revealed the V & C name with the maltease cross, a stamp within a box  stating: "18K   0.750".  In addition, a Swiss hallmark indicating (18K- 0.750), a key with a number within?, and a production number of #286008

 Question;  what is the number within the stamped key indicate? and the production number

puts this wrist watch case prior to VC's 1909/1910 introduction to the wrist watch?? 

The Movement, all though coming out of a square case is round, bearing 17 jewels, the VC name and cross, geneve, swiss, and "VXN".  To what I beleave is the grade number "458 / 1 b" and a production number of #449017

 Question: with just the production numbers and this discription can you tell me what model this may be? And where I might read more about this model?

Thank you for any help!

CG Duffy

Some answers.
05/07/2007 - 19:42

The number on the case indicates it's made in the middle of 1940's.

The Cal 458 movement's number also indicates this.

The key symbol tells it's made in Geneva.

Learn more about VC,

you already are on the very right place :-)


both quite exspensive,

in my eyes the outstanding best is,

"The World of Vacheron Constantin" by Lambelet and Coen.

Another book to recommend is "Secrets of Vacheron Constantin",

by Cologni.

The first has more pics of old watches and some various types of movements,

but most of all,

it's a fantastic book, painting cultural history from 1750-1950.

The second book has more "light" text and are thinner in the history.

Both books you could find at the famous,

giant auctionfirm on the net, or in a search for used books.

Both of them even new, at some bookshops on the net.

But for heaven's sake, send some pics!

It's impossible to write a  good answer without seeing your watch :-)


Re: Some answers.
05/07/2007 - 21:39


Thank you for the knowledge.  I'm still confused although. The movement has a production number of #449017, 

to which puts that number right in the 1940's, but the cover's number #286008 is a lot earlier 1900-1905,  this being based off the only information I have.  I know they could/would make cover's way ahead sometimes,  but does the cover's #

run off the same production date/number publication as does the movement?

Ok, so the key, defines = Geneva and the roman lady hallmark defines = swiss.  ?? is this correct?

Do u know what the number in the key stands for?

Is Cal 458 Movement.  I have three big books on watches, and not one will they me, was that a good number back then??

as I am still trying to understand what the number system defines too?

Again, Thanks a bunch!. I'm sorry I'm such a egg head to these subjects, but I 'am educating myself rapidly, as everyperson, our local watch repair businesses, I'v shown this to, has tried to buy it!..  I would like to know what I have, and then it's worth!.  Some times the history is where the greatest vaule is at !!

also, please note my reply to Alex on photos!

Thank you! 

Sorry Duffy, you are wrong!
05/08/2007 - 13:48

This is a back from 1939.

It even has import marks for London from 1939.

Look at the number.

And this is from 1946, sold 8th of December in Geneva same year!

Here you also see the key hallmarks.

So, your watch is obviously between.


more answers
05/09/2007 - 18:24

the Roman lady hallmark is the hallmark for 18k gold.

The different numbering systems may lead to confusion but if your watch is a cal 458 then it definately is from the 40s. Prior to that movements were not designated by a specific caliber n°.

It would be really usefull if you could post a scan because without seeing the watch it is almost impossible to give any kind of info on it.

Just to add that VXN was the
05/07/2007 - 19:55

hallmark used for VC watches imported to the USA so your watch was destined for the US from the start.

As Doc says you need to post a scan because its tough making any comment without seeing the watch.

That must have been a cool find with the bond, notes and watch! Lucky you :-)

Re: Just to add that VXN was the
05/07/2007 - 21:18

Thanks Alex!.. Many hours of reading and all I could find on "VXN" was  trade marks used between 1880 & 1927

in Switzerland.

Yes, I need to scan a photo, I'm sorry to have to do it the hard way 4 a bit, my kids toasted two computors

in one week. !?!!?? I finally got one up, but very slow and wont let me scan, I'm afaird I'm gonna have to reboot

and start over.

Nevertheless, thanks for any information and very soon I'll post photos. Would the readers like a photo of the bank bag, bank bonds, and corportate stocks from the 20's & 30"s that where found with the VC?

Did VC record whom may have ordered or bought a watch, based off it's production number back then?

C.G. Duffy

Here we love as many pics as possible!
05/07/2007 - 22:52

As a matter of fact there are to few pics!

Look the post above :-)



are your kids boys? they sound like mine :-) your watch looks
05/07/2007 - 23:53

like a "regular" production piece and VC can certainly find to whom it was sold but chances are that you will have the name of the retailer and not the final client.

VXN was used not in Switzerland but for the US up to
05/09/2007 - 19:01

the mid-late 50s.