two questions about the ref.222

here is the link  (link removed per forum guidelines, Dan)

there are two points i cannot understand.

first, the steel case is 33.5mm.     an article in THL said it should be 38mm.  maybe thereis a mistake about the 33.5mm.

second, the sigh on the dail means its gold material.   but it is a steel case.   i think  gold case match gold dail.    i donot know whether v&c made  a watch like it.

       two questions about the ref.222

Re: two questions about the ref.222
08/13/2016 - 09:52

I have been checking out this piece as well (on Chrono24). It looks nice although its condition could be better - there seems to be some scratches on the glass around the logo. Also, it would have been nice to get the watch with papers at least.


About the size: 33mm sounds likely. The Jumbo version is 37mm.

Case material: Yes, this is the steel version. The only thing gold on this watch is the small Maltese Cross at the lower right outside the bezel.

All the best


i am not sure the letter in the red circle
08/13/2016 - 10:34

i am not sure the letter in the red circle. 


A lttile research goes a long way :-)
08/13/2016 - 15:06

The 222 is very popular among VC fans and collectors.

There are a few great posts about the 222 by a few Loungers, I can immediately think of a couple of our Italian friends (Leonardo and flyboyfly).

The 222 came in more than one size, the round 37mm "jumbo" is the only one that used cal. 1120.  You can tell by the lack of a sconds hand.  This one the most sought after version of the 222 as well.

All I can say is don't believe everything a seller tells you, this doesn't apply just to watches wink  (By the way, Alex recently deleted a link to an online seller as it is against THL policy, please be aware of this in the future. I have removed it from your post.)


The symbol you are asking about is the Greek letter Sigma.  There are also posts that discuss its meaning on THL.  Simply put, and taken from a tick-talk post:

"The Greek Sigma symbol  σ SWISS σ  that appears at the bottom of this dial was a mark of the Assoication pour la Promotion Industrielle de l'Or, which was founded in 1973 and used to signify that dial and/or indexes were made of gold."  

So on the 222 it means that either the dial and/or the hour markers are made of gold.  Just because a case is not gold, it does not mean the dial does not use any gold.

thank you sir
08/13/2016 - 15:44


i  want to know  did  V&C  make a  steel case  watch with  the dial and/or the hour markers are made of gold?

morden watches such as rolex  re like that. i donot know  antique watches.



Yes they did
08/13/2016 - 17:06

That is what my last sentence meant.

thank you
08/14/2016 - 01:19


the Overseas models have gold indexes and hands
08/14/2016 - 17:22
Dan said it all, furthermore
08/13/2016 - 15:18

someone must have handled that dial a little too much. Just look at the maltese cross' right arm; indexes look relumed also.

Picture's resolution doesn't allow further evaluations - imo but I'd be curious to inspect the fonts more closely.




Re: Dan said it all, furthermore
08/13/2016 - 15:50

Fully agree! You should ask the seller to send som high-res pics of the dial and the cross on the dial. 

Yes, and of the movement and case back as well {NT}
08/13/2016 - 18:37
the 33mm Ref 222 is quartz
08/14/2016 - 17:23


Are there two versions of the 33mm Ref. 222?
08/14/2016 - 22:48

I believe the woman's model is 25mm and has a quartz movement.

The 33mm (also called 33.5mm and 34mm - there were not three very slightly different sized cases) Automatic used cal 1124.  I did not really notice before, but was there a 33mm quartz version as well?

The 37mm "Jumbo" used cal. 1120.

I'm not sure there is a 25mm ref 222! Just know of the 33mm model in quartz
08/15/2016 - 12:05
Interesting, and mysterious.
08/15/2016 - 15:32

Hi Alex,

I read what you wrote in the article "The Evolution of Vacheron Constantin Sports Watches" and Leonardo's old thread "Vacheron Constantin '222' Review".  

Leonardo wrote that the 34mm (and Rectangular versions) uses cal. 1124.  The word "Automatic" is on these dials and it has a center seconds hand.  His review also says the 25mm ladies models used a quartz cal 1009/39, pictures show no date and no seconds hand on the ladies model.

I looked online and have seen 222 models labelled as ladies versions (anywhere from 21mm to 27mm in diameter, but most say 25mm.  I'm sure there is only one size and the variayion is due to measuring errors).  These models say "Quartz" on the dial, have no date and no seconds hand.

There are also 222 models online that say they are 34mm in diameter and have "Automatic" on the dial.  These models have both date and center seconds.

Though not conclusive, I haven't seen any 34mm quartz versions online recently.

BR, Dan

25mm quartz
08/16/2016 - 12:30

In Leo's topic, I know the owner, that size do really exist  :-)

here is the defintive answer from VC
08/17/2016 - 11:19

 - 37mm (automatic cal. 1121, date without seconds)

- 34mm ( automatic cal. 1124, date etand central seconds)

- 25mm (quartz cal. 1009, without date or seconds)


Thanks Alex! (nt)
08/17/2016 - 13:20