Vacheron Constantin Steel watch 1944

Hi

I was hoping that I could ask a couple of question on this forum regarding my VC watch. Model 4165, Steel case, made in 1944, calibre 453.

When searching the web on pictures on calibre 453 one can see that the marking on the movements is different to mine, my movement does not have markings like “Seventeen 17 jewels swiss”,  What could be the reason for this?

There is also some signs of corrosion on the movement, is this something that should be restored/re-finished or could such a repair affect the value?

Does anyone know to what collection this model belongs to ?

Looking forward on reading your comments !

Vacheron Constantin Steel watch 1944

Vacheron Constantin Steel watch 1944 

Vacheron Constantin Steel watch 1944 

LOL, the collection was "Men's Wrist Watches"
02/27/2015 - 17:11

The model reference 4165 is the best identifier, as V&C did not have design families like today.  Difficult to locate other examples but one I did find showed the more typical German silver finish for the cal. 453.  I see Geneva waves under the gilt finish of yours, which was appropriate for V&C unlike JLC who did not decorate their gilt movements.  V&C was also inconsistent on how they marked these movements but yours like fine.  Have you checked the serial numbers against the registers yet?  I assume if you know the ref and year that you might have.

Is the swan neck missing from the regulating system?
02/28/2015 - 03:51
Dean, do you know if there are versions of the Cal. 453 that did not use a swan neck micro-regulator? I do not remember any designed that way. BR, Dan
Re: LOL, the collection was "Men's Wrist Watches"
03/02/2015 - 09:47

Hi

Thank for taking the time to answer my questions!

I bought the watch from what I could judge a serious dealer (Schöne Sammleruhren represented on chrono24.com ) and have there after requested an “Extract from archives “ from VC, I guess that the ref is the same as model ?

From the pictures presented by Kent, I guess that my movement is a 453-2C, I have not opened the case back to lock inside the watch and therefore haven’t be able to see if there is a marking close to the spring.

/Tom

The different alterations of the caliber 453.
02/28/2015 - 11:08

Here are some examples of caliber 453.

The different alterations of the caliber 453.

The different alterations of the caliber 453.

Caliber 453-2C.

The different alterations of the caliber 453.

The different alterations of the caliber 453.

The different alterations of the caliber 453.

Caliber 453-3BW

The different alterations of the caliber 453.

Caliber 453-3C.

The different alterations of the caliber 453.

The different alterations of the caliber 453.

I can't credit the people who took the photos since I don't know who they are, but some of them did a good job smiley

All the best to all of you here at the Hour Lounge. Kent

 

Warm wishes and excellent photographs...
02/28/2015 - 12:59

So good to hear from you Kent. 

I reciprocate your kind words.

Your contributions are always appreciated.

Kind regards

Tony

Warm wishes and excellent photographs...
02/28/2015 - 12:59

So good to hear from you Kent. 

I reciprocate your kind words.

Your contributions are always appreciated.

Kind regards

Tony

Thank you Kent!
02/28/2015 - 16:24

I don't recall seeing the /2C version before! yes

I had asked a question about the meaning/differences between some of the various "/xx" designations used on a few of VC's vintage calibers, but unfortunately I couldn't find any additional information about this.

Your pictures are definitely helpful.

It has been awhile and is great seeing you here again.

BR, Dan

Super job Kent, I see you've updated your
02/28/2015 - 16:58

453 gallery from a previous post with several more examples.  I nominate you as our 453 specialist yes.  Seeing the /3BW always makes me wince, thinking of the series of fakes produced under that version, so my only caution is to be extra vigilant whenever one shows up!

Hello Kent
03/01/2015 - 00:20

Thank you for those excellent photos.

It is interesting to note that all the 453's without the swan-neck regulator had movement numbers starting with 477. And the last three digits are close to each other. It makes me think that perhaps those ones were made over a short period of time and/or in one production run.

Best wishes,

Joseph

Re: Vacheron Constantin Steel watch 1944
12/05/2015 - 09:41

Re: Vacheron Constantin Steel watch 1944
12/05/2015 - 09:46

I do not know much information on this version but here is another example of the 453 house in a 18K case.