Vacheron Constantine Chronometer Royal

Vacheron Constantine Chronometer Royal
Re: Vacheron Constantine Chronometer Royal
07/30/2009 - 22:13
With thanks to Alex the watch has now been downloaded. My earlier question was as follows:- In 1960 I had a V & C Chronometer Royal for my 21st Birthday. It's number is 509310. It hasan 18ct gold case and integral band. My father, who purchased the watch new, was told that only 250 pieces were produced and primarily distributed to VIP's, Royality and Heads of States and so on. Can anyone verify this? It is a particularly attractive piece and indeed never failed to instigate comment on the few occasions it has been worn. Your comments and observations would be deeply appreciated. Tony.
a gorgeous example of a Chronometre Royal with integrated
07/31/2009 - 12:25
bracelet from the mid 50s. Ican't find a ref number for this specific model. The movement is the cal 1008/BS (Balance Stop). The Chronometer Royal models were very rare, even though I do not have production numbers I don't think many were made, however the 250 pieces quoted by your dealer may not be too far off track even if on the lower side (models with integrated gold bracelets were rarer than their strap counterparts). These models were available for general purchase and not reserved for a select few.  For more info on the Chronometre Royal watches click here to read the article
Re: a gorgeous example of a Chronometre Royal with integrated
07/31/2009 - 14:21
Many thanks Alex for your comments and observations. Most helpful. I have also read the Chronometre Royal article and found it to be a very useful piece of info. Thanks again, regards Tony
Re: a gorgeous example of a Chronometre Royal with integrated
08/04/2009 - 18:22
Hello Alex. I have posted another 4 photographs plus some comments on the site. Thought you might like to see them for, perhaps, future reference. The Doc has shown particular interest as you'll see also. Thank you again for your assistance, interest and information which is deeply appreciated. Tony
Re: Vacheron Constantine Chronometer Royal
07/31/2009 - 15:23
Albeit an academic question, but can anyone put a price/value on the watch?
Integrated bracelet!
07/31/2009 - 20:27
Wow, it's quite unusual with those on Vacheron&Constantin. Do you have a English hallmark inside your watch? This one from 1939 is with integrated bracelet and import hallmarks for London 1939! And the hallmarks for London are the D 18/750 and the symbol above the number 266275. Above 750 you can see the hallmark of Geneva. Congrats to a beautiful watch Enjoy it in good health, Doc
Re: Integrated bracelet!
07/31/2009 - 23:49
Hi Doc, Thanks for taking the time to look at the Chronometre Royal. You might have gathered I am not a watch expert, however, in an attempt to answer your question : The bracelet has an hallmark on the clasp but it's so small............Looking at the Certificate of Origin the following could be helpful. Certificate No 360594. The movement No. 509310. It states "boite en or 18kt. jaune, modele 62227". The bracelet and watch match perfectly. I have not opened the watch and quite frankly wouldn't know how to! It is, as you say, a beautiful watch with a striking appearance. Albeit academic but it would be interesting to know the approximate value of the watch which has, incidentally, all it's documentation plus the original receipt of purchase in London at £450.00p in 1960. Would it be a collectors piece? Regards, Tony
It's a keeper Tony!
08/01/2009 - 01:05
I never seen anyone like yours before. You wouldn't get a price that shows it real worth. It's about the same with the one I have from 1939, even though I did pay a bit more at Antiquorum when I bought it about 4 or 5 years ago, but that was because I really wanted to have it and at the same auction was another fan, who apparently wanted it too... Normally watches with gold bracelets are paid lower than with a nice leather strap, with the original buckle! Yes, that's true. Especially have I seen it when it comes to vintage Rolexes! This because most buyers don't want to have a gold bracelet, they think it looks a bit 'cheap' and in Rolex cases I can understand it,  but not when it comes to Vacheron&Constantin, where it as I mentioned above is rare. So, some buy a Rolex with goldbracelet at a lover price  and than pay to 'rebuild' it to wear a traditional leatherstrap. Perhaps they pay with the goldbracelet So, if I had that rare watch I would keep it for good, at least until someone comes along and really give you an offer you can't refuse Let's make a new little club inside Hour Lounge. The Integrated Gold Bracelet Club! Cheers Doc
Re: It's a keeper Tony!
08/01/2009 - 15:35
Good afternoon, Doc I really appreciate your comments and opinion. I've no plans to sell the watch at present. Strangely enough the watch continues to grow on me everytime I open it's very prestigious presentation box. I take your point about gold bracelets and leather straps. Indeed valid! Like you I don't think that applies to V & C who have been able to add sheer class to the overall finished product. "You've either got it or you haven't!" Now then, your suggestion of an "inner" club within the hour lounge sounds good and interesting. Suggested name: The Integrated Gold Bracelet Society. Incidentally, your 1939 treasure looks a very interesting piece. Good thing you came out on top at the auction. Have a good weekend Regards Tony
Tony,
08/01/2009 - 23:38
please ask a watchmaker to open the back and look if it's got import hallmarks to England, and don't forget to take a pic!! It's presentation box, you write, is it the original? If so, please would you show us a pic of it Cheers Doc
Re: Tony,
08/03/2009 - 18:29
Re: Tony,
08/03/2009 - 18:41
Hi Doc, Ivisited my local watchmaker this morning - very helpful! However, all the markings are so small that my "ordinary" Panasonic camera couldn't pick them up so the gentleman very kindly wrote all the markings down on a  Compliment Slip. That has been photographed along with the watch case and watch case and documents. Hopefully the information will be helpful to you. Appreciate your comments. Tony
Re: Tony,
08/03/2009 - 18:58
Hi Doc, I'm trying to send photographs of box, documents and details of inside the watch etc. but for some reason they are not getting onto the system. Obviously I'm doing something wrong. I'II keep trying. Tony
Re: Tony,
08/03/2009 - 19:05
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08/03/2009 - 19:27
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08/03/2009 - 19:29
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08/03/2009 - 19:32
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08/03/2009 - 19:36
Thanks Tony,
08/04/2009 - 16:30
for these lovely pics that came after some trouble.... The receipt and everything in order, WOW! You should be buried with that watch Once again congratulation to a fantastc piece of history! Doc
Re: Thanks Tony,
08/04/2009 - 17:59
It's a pleasure to share my little piece of history, Doc. Thankfully the photographs came across ok! Allow me to thank you for the interest shown. I must tell you that the watchmaker who helped me with the Hallmarks couldn't believe his eyes when I showed him the watch. He was an elderly gentleman with considerable knowledge of the watch trade. He couldn't stop looking at the movement having removed the back cover. He said he hadn't seen of watch of such stature in such wonderful condition and a full pedigree to support it. He reckoned it was priceless as you simply would not find another like it. Your idea of being buried with it must be given thought although I'm concerned about who is going to wind it!!!! Any thoughts? Best wishes, Tony
Movement Pic
08/06/2009 - 00:08
For the benefit of other fans of your wonderful CR (me most definately included), here is a pic of the 1008/BS This caliber was based on the JLC 478/BWSbr.  According to a 2003 article in WatchTime, the 478 was manufactured between 1945 and 1965 for a total of 83,000 examples.  JLC used it in the Chronometre Geophysic model range; one of their very few chronometer-certified watches during the period.  Needless to say, the V&C version was significantly more decorated.
comparaison photo between JLC version and VC
08/06/2009 - 12:57
photos courtesy of Steve G
jlc Cal. 488/Sbr
05/28/2016 - 14:55

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God will do it :-) (nt)
08/06/2009 - 01:13
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