Vacheron Extract from Archives?

While cruising the internet, I came across a VC offered for sale with an Extract from Archives document that I've never seen before.  Alex, is this legit?  Anyone else have one or seen one?

Vacheron Extract from Archives?
Re: Vacheron Extract from Archives?
07/07/2009 - 23:15
Hi Dean, I'm sure Alex can be more helpful. The text indicates some ambiguity. It reads: "This extract from the archives is not a (document) certificate of definite authenticity of the watch mentioned herein. Only a certificate of origin indicates an absolute committment on our part." (of the authenticity) Maybe that's why they don't issue these things any more (??). Regards, Joseph
Re: Re: Vacheron Extract from Archives?
07/08/2009 - 01:52
Thanks for the translation Joseph.  I just noticed the numbers on the document don't match the case numbers on the watch itself!!  Take a look... The case numbers look like 357XXX, but the certificate shows 26XXXX.
Re: Re: Re: Vacheron Extract from Archives?
07/08/2009 - 06:00
Tu es tout a fait correct, Dean (You're quite right!) The text says:"Numero de Boite...26xxx" which means "case number" and yet as you've shown, the case number is different...hmmm Regards, Joseph
Re: Vacheron Extract from Archives?
07/08/2009 - 06:55
My understanding is that unlike Patek that issues a "Extract from the Archives", Vacheron will provide a "Letter of Authenticty". Patek's Extract does not require you to send them the watch for their inspection, simply the model and serial number. Additionally it takes only a few weeks and cost less than $100.US. Where as Vacheron must physically examine the watch and only in Geneva. It's not only very time consuming, but also much more expensive. IMHO the above "Extract D' Archives" is meaningless. Alex: Please correct me if I'm wrong. Best, Miki
looks legit. Is signed by the former head of the Patrimony
07/08/2009 - 12:24
department who left in 2005. It is not a certificate of authenticity but just an extract from the archives stating that VC made a watch with a specific ref n° corresponding to a case and movement number. It doesn't certify the authenticity of the watch pictures. Furthermore on the extract it is stated that the watch was unseen.
Re: looks legit. Is signed by the former head of the Patrimony
07/08/2009 - 14:45
Hi Alex Yes, I missed that. I also missed the part where it says the watch was originally on a yellow gold bracelet (and not a strap) "bracelet or jaune" Best wishes, Joseph PS: coming up to my 1000th post
I've been counting your posts too :-) 2 to go !!!! (nt)
07/08/2009 - 15:53
Re: looks legit. Is signed by the former head of the Patrimony
07/08/2009 - 18:02
Thanx for your clarification. Because of the now two discrepancies: How does this "paper" authenticate this watch? Am I correct in stating that Vacheron, for time and money, will issue a "real" Letter of Authenticity? Thanx, Miki
07/08/2009 - 18:37
As I understand it, currently VC will issue either a Certificate of Authenticity or Certificate for Insurance.  The former is costly and takes a visit to the factory.  The other is available from retailers and gives the last known catalog price but does not verify authenticity.  As you can see, the insurance letter is meaningless for vintage watches! One really has to question any documents...witness this Certificate currently on sale at fleabay.  What would someone do with this paper that already has serial numbers?
this doesn't authenticate the watch, it just states that at a certain
07/08/2009 - 20:11
date VC made a ref with such and such movement and case numbers.  VC no longer issues such documents which don't give much security to the buyer, now they issue Certificates of Authenticity which implies an inspection of the watch
07/14/2009 - 01:08
From "The Quarter of Millennium Auction, 2005! I was there together with more than 1000 other people! Here is a special extract by Bernard Vuilliomenet for that auction. And the watch Cheers Doc