Vacheron a Geneve. VC or not?

Welcome all fans and connoisseurs brand Vacheron Constantin! My name is Edgar, I live in Russia. I have a gold pocket watch, signed Vacheron a Geneve # 3153. On Russia's hour forum are heated debates at the expense of originality and their hours of dating:) I want to ask the opinion of experts: Vacheron a Geneve is the original signature of VC? Or is it fake or another company? Lepine caliber IV 1835-1850 Swiss anchor movement By design, these watches 1820-1840 Could VC company to produce a special series of hours for example for the U.S. and sign them as Vacheron a Geneve? Same or different quality or countries? I know in those days, only big companies could afford the lever escapement in its movement.I saw a lot of pocket watches signed Vacheron a Geneve and with different numbers ..... I think this is the original....what are the chances? sorry for my English, I use a translator) in advance of all thank you for your answers! 


Vacheron a Geneve. VC or not?

Vacheron a Geneve. VC or not?

Vacheron a Geneve. VC or not?

Vacheron a Geneve. VC or not?

Vacheron a Geneve. VC or not?

Vacheron a Geneve. VC or not?


Vacheron a Geneve. VC or not?

Vacheron a Geneve. VC or not?

All bridges are numbered last digit. in case the stamp: K: 18 PD in oval 5146 in the center 3156 below
tricky question! Jean-Marc Vacheron did sign certain watches
02/19/2010 - 13:07
Vacheron à Geneve to about between 1765-1785 however there have been other watches not made by Vacheron but with the same brand name. The engraving of the case is not of Vacheron style but can you give me the exact number isncribed on the case and on the movement?
Re: tricky question! Jean-Marc Vacheron did sign certain watches
02/19/2010 - 13:44
Thank you for their attention to this subject! number on the case 3153.On placed in three places. At the movement the same number 3153 (from the dial) I know the history of the company's VC and the official numbering from 1830 - 30 000. But if this is not VC then who could it be? "I have long studied the archives of the Internet and stopped on the main form, it is not fake! In case there is a stamp of PD and these watch: http://www.clockswatches.com/foreign/showpage.php?em=2266 No. 17107 Lepin caliber V ~ 1850-1880 in production. At antiquorum.com in the 90s it was sold several watches Vacheron a Geneve with similar numbers 3000.I met in the same Vacheron a Geneve № 301 dated 1830.They are very similar in appearance
the problem with case numbers under 5000 is that the watch can
02/19/2010 - 17:23
be authentificated if seen in the flesh by the VC patrimony department in Geneva (VC archives start with case numbers at 5000). It also seems that the early 19th century watches signed Vacheron à Genève were made by Jean-Marc Vacheron's oldest son, therefor your watch if not a Vacheron as in VC could very well have been made by Jean-Marc's son therefore not of VC lineage.
Re: the problem with case numbers under 5000 is that the watch can
02/19/2010 - 19:12
Do you mean Abraham Vacheron? He died in 1833. But these pocket watches were made ~ 1835-1845 (I refer to the movement and case design) How much I know in Geneva during this period Vacheron family's watchmaking business represented by Jaques-Barthelemy, who with Francois Constantin and Georges-Auguste Leschot managed by VC. Has anyone else from the family Vacheron who could produce such expensive pocket watch then? And what you know about the stamp PD on the case? whether to use the VC or any stamps on the case?
that's the problem, if you're watch is post 1835 it can't be of VC
02/19/2010 - 23:41
lineage. Once again the big issue is that theVC patrimony does not have trace of this specific watch, I need to check with them when the 5000 cae number starts, if it starts before the 1830s then your watch cannot be a VC. I'll get back to you early next week.
Re: that's the problem, if you're watch is post 1835 it can't be of VC
02/20/2010 - 00:30
OK! Thank you once again great! I do believe that this is a special series of the same VC or another firm with the same name (which can not be) My first version was that the clock had been without a name, and then they signed Vacheron a Geneve. 1) But I came to the conclusion that it was too expensive to produce a level of a pocket watch with no name 2) I found a few similar watches with the same signature I know that many companies have made many of the details of the particular and the differences can determine the expert. Although the caliber Lepine used by different companies were still differences in the performance parts. If to know the distinctive features of parts used in pocket watches VC 1830-1850, we could easily determine the identity mechanism for the brand signature
BTW Jean-Marc Vacheron's oldest son was Louis-André not
02/22/2010 - 18:30
Abraham. I'm still investigating the date for watches starting with 5000.
Re: BTW Jean-Marc Vacheron's oldest son was Louis-André not
02/22/2010 - 23:07
It is very important information! I did not know about that fact .... now everything is cleared up! I have seen a few fakes VC and read about the company Vacheron freres ".... there is very poor quality and the mechanisms used in cheap fakes cylinder movement basically. If Louis-André Vacheron watches produced, the more likely he had his own line .... and this is also a good level for the time!
cases with 5000 numerals started in 1812-1813(nt)
02/23/2010 - 11:03

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