Vacheron Pocket with diam dial - Plat

I can't find this watch anywhere. I am not an expert and have been told that there are so many variations that it can be virtually impossible to identify some Vacheron Constantin watches. Here are some pics. Any help is appreciated and the watch will come for sale, eventually, but it needs some work. I think the spring is the issue.
Thanks
Chuck

Vacheron diamond baguette dialinside cover and movement
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Circa 1930s
01/17/2012 - 21:49
Thank-you for providing detailed pictures for us to examine smiley.  Very pretty watch for sure, from the late 1920s to early 30s, with a custom-made case of I'm guessing around 43mm.  Notice how the case is numbered for the movement...not a V&C practice.  How is it running?  The dial has attractive serpentine hands which were a trademark of Verger Freres but can't be attributed as the case lacks the usual hallmarks.  I'm also noticing how the markers do not line up with the minute track, which may indicate they had been removed and replaced inexactly, either for cleaning or refinishing.  It has a very untypical appearance but, as you've already discovered, expect the unexpected with vintage V&C!
Re: Circa 1930s
01/17/2012 - 21:55
Thanks for the quick reply!! Wow. It's not running and I think the mainspring is stuck. I am checking to see if a guy I know on the west coast can fix it for me. If you have a referral for the work, let me know!! I own a pawn shop and see a lot of nice watches, this being the first Vacheron.  Even with all the catalogues I have, I have not been able to find out anything about this watch, other than the movement. I also noticed the case markings vary, as you pointed out. How do I go about determining its value? Thanks a heap, tick-talk! I appreciate your valuable information and time. Chuck
Re: Re: Circa 1930s
01/17/2012 - 21:59
I'd also like to mention that the setting work and finishing on the diamonds doesn't seem to be the quality of work that you'd expect from Vacheron. Is it? Maybe they were put on "after market"??? thanks again! chuck
Re: Re: Re: Circa 1930s
01/17/2012 - 23:11
Having the watch in-hand allows you to best determine fit and finish, so if you can detect a lack of quality I'm sure you know the answer.  This would be consistent with a re-cased movement.  Valuation is nearly impossible as most auction house records will only relate to authentic V&C watches.
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01/17/2012 - 23:22
ok... sorry to sound stupid,but, if the case and the movement match, how is it re-cased? Often, other companies numbers match both, to show that it's original. additionally, did you mean original, as opposed to "authentic"? I am no expert, but I do know a bit about watches and this one seems authentic, but possibly, not original, that is, the diamond dial. Thanks very much for your input. I truly understand and appreciate one's time, as I am also quite busy. So, thank you very much for that. chuck
Authentic vs Original
01/18/2012 - 01:03
As I said previously, V&C did not match case and movement numbers, neither did Verger Freres or EER as associated makers. Thank-you for bringing up the issue of authentic vs original.  Both criteria must be met for VC to issue a Certificate of Authenticity.  There is a simple test: if the part was manufactured by V&C or its authorized suppliers, it is authentic.  If it is the same part in the same watch that left the factory, it is original.  With this formula, one can evaluate every individual component of a watch.  However angel, an overall judgement of authenticity and originality depends of the combination of case, movement and dial.
Re: Authentic vs Original
01/18/2012 - 01:20
ok, got that. Thanks. Just based on what I know about Rolex, etc, these dial markers bug me. The movement seems real, the case seems real and so does the face, but those markers.......... ugh. Not sure what I'll do with it. Thanks a lot for your time, my friend. Chuck