VC 6413

Hi guys,


i just bought this watch and happy about it so far! Its my first VC and first vintage watch..

Model 6413 from 1953!

Do you get your vintage watch serviced at VC or do is it good enough to use a local watch dealer?

hi and welcome, the dial is spectacular! as for servicing I would suggest sending it
06/25/2015 - 16:20

to VC as you are certain that it will be very well done, unless you have an excellent and trustworthy independent watch makers

Re: hi and welcome, the dial is spectacular! as for servicing I would suggest sending it
06/25/2015 - 16:27

many thanks, okay noted!


do you have any idea if its much more expencive at VC? Any idea on price based on nothing being broken?



06/25/2015 - 21:30

That is a great watch you got.  I love the "quadrant" style subdial for seconds.  That is lovely.  And the color tone combination is great.  Nice watch.  For me, I would only have it serviced at VC, personally, but some people know great watchmakers.  Certainly, any "restoration" type work I would only have done at VC.  Maybe if it just needs lubrication and timing and such, I would let a watchmaker I trusted do it.  I don't know.  That is a treasure you have there.

Re: VC 6413
06/26/2015 - 01:17

Congratulations! A lovely watch.

The markers are beautiful and not very commonly seen.

Hi MSA, welcome to THL!
06/26/2015 - 07:30

Beatiful watch you picked up!

I always send my vintage watches to VC for service, though I know it is more expensive than having an independent watchmaker do the work.

I've had some pieces where VC still had old stock components that could be used, and they've hand made more than one balance staff for me.

I also like getting certificates of authenticticy for my watches, which requires sending the watch to Geneva anyway.

BR, Dan


Re: VC 6413
06/26/2015 - 09:03

Thanks for all the nice words about the watch - its nice to hear that its a good buy I made since this is my first "expencive" and "vintage" watch.


In regards to service I think i will use VC to take as good care of the watch as possible.


Question for the experts.
06/28/2015 - 16:50

Ths piece got me thinking.  How long has VC done that style of hour and minute hands - specifically, with the one side matte and the other side polished?  I love that look and have a traditionelle with it.  So, if they did it in 1953 and they do it in 2015, we can document 62 years of it.  Does anyone here know how far back that threatment goes?  I find it beautiful and a very tangible example of how Vacheron uses subtle "flourishes" to make design statments, rather than bold strokes.

Lovely! And a subtle point...
07/01/2015 - 00:38

It's very interesting to note the design of those lugs, as they are quite similar to those of the iconic, early Longines Flagship model line. The Flagship was, I believe, introduced in 1957, and the distinctive lugs were an important feature.


Tony C.

Lovely! And a subtle point...

Re: Lovely! And a subtle point...
07/01/2015 - 13:17

Interesting - would you say Longines copied the design from VC? Mine s from 1953.

Re: Re: Lovely! And a subtle point...
07/01/2015 - 13:53

Back then, the swiss watchmaking industry was very flat (not vertically integrated at all).  Therefore many brands sourced their various components (ebauches, cases, dials, hands, etc.) from the same suppliers.

Now what they might of done with the components, especially the movements, after receiving them may differ from heavy modifications to no modifications.

I believe the concept of everything being made in-house is a phenomenon that started in the 1990s with the re-emergence of the mechanical watch as a luxury item, and the industry/market that we see now.

More examples of shared case designs
07/01/2015 - 17:35

More examples of shared case designs

More examples of shared case designs

More examples of shared case designs

More examples of shared case designs

More examples of shared case designs

OK, this last one shows where I was last week...

Thanks Dean, great and surprising cases.
07/02/2015 - 01:46

I've never seen examples of VC's iconic quarter-maltese cross ("trapezoidal") lugs and Toledo cases used by other brands before!

it would be ironic if these other brands used them first, and VC popularized the designs.

07/02/2015 - 00:12

Your V&C certainly pre-dated the Flagship line, so it is possible.

With regard to Dan's point, I am not aware of any other brands that used this particular lug design, and therefore don't consider it to be a typical example of shared design resulting from common, outsourced makers.


Tony C.

Hi Tony
07/02/2015 - 01:41

It is possible...I haven't seen these lugs before either, and I really like them.

My comment is more in general, as I don't believe any of the brands back then had too many custom case designs.  But as you know, there are always exceptions and they go both ways.  

I'm a little surprised that the quarter-Maltese cross (first introduced in 1955) was not a unique design for VC. But Dean just showed us a picture of it being used on a JLC and a PP.  The Toledo case used by UN is also unexpected.  

BR, Dan

Almost 300 casemakers in Switzerland
07/02/2015 - 03:58

In 1934 there were almost 300 Swiss casemakers registered with the Federation suisse des associations de fabricants de boites de montres (F.B.).  And yes, the same casemakers produced the same designs for several customers, as can be confirmed by comparing the casemaker's responsibility marks found stamped on the backs.  Remember this one I posted last year: V&C's Chronometre Royal cases were made by Genevor SA, who also made the same case for Solvil.

Almost 300 casemakers in Switzerland

I suspect that bigger customers were able to negotiate exclusive use of a particular design for a period before it was available to others.  But many of these appeared within a few years of each other as the brands chased market preferences.

Good point, Dean
07/02/2015 - 12:52

That would make sense. The case and lug style used by V&C and Solvil were also used by some other manufacturers. Here is a JLC example, albeit with a redial.


Tony C.


Good point, Dean

Excellent, another one to add to the gallery :-)
07/02/2015 - 21:37


Re: VC 6413
07/02/2015 - 14:50

Here is a pic where you can see the lugs better - its a bit different than some of the ones you posted, but still close!

While the lugs are interesting,
07/02/2015 - 21:39

I really enjoy the dial & hands on this watch yes

Re: VC 6413
08/14/2015 - 16:33

Took some more pichures of my watch - enjoy wink


I switched to the brown bracelet and loving it so far!


Have a nice weekend