VC Overseas and calibre 2450...

I would like to know if there is a good chance that the Overseas models will receive the in-house calibre 2450 or another in-house movement with a sapphire crystal caseback in the near future? The Overseas with an in-house VC movement would be awesome!

Best Regards,


Hi Mike welcome to the forum. Its in the order of things and
06/21/2007 - 20:30

it is in VC's plans to only use inhouse calibers in their watches (for example this year all of the SIHH novelties featured inhouse movements other than the skeleton perpetual calendar which houses the wonderful caliber 1120) but this is a goal in the medium term.

So to answer your question yes we will certainly see an Overseas with inhouse caliber but the question is when?

As for the saphire crystal back it has two downsides:

- if VC want to continue proposing an antimagnetic OS the movement needs to be placed in a soft iron case thus impossible to see the movement. 

- not possible to guarantee water resistance up to 100m

I do agree with you that knowing that such a fantastic movement is ticking inside a sports watch is kindda cool

If you don't want to wait you can always commission VC to make you an Overseas with the caliber 2450 with saphire case back...that would be one hell of a cool one off piece

Re: Hi Mike welcome to the forum. Its in the order of things and
06/21/2007 - 20:43

Dear Alex,

Thank you for responding with such a thorough and great message. This is an awesome forum and thank you for the warm welcoming. What kind of premium would there be, approximately, on a one-off piece like this? Do you think it would be better to just wait and see if my dream watch will be realized sometime in the future?

Best Regards,


Getting a commission piece from VC
06/21/2007 - 20:49

Thank you for your kind words Mile.

Here's an article (amongst other things) on the bespoke department

I would expect that your request would fall in the 1st category stated by Dominique Bernaz. If you want a time only OS with a saphire crystal back I would expect the premium over tha regular production model to be rather low because nothing special (other than a saphire crystal back) would need to be created.

You can contact Dominique Bernaz (his details are in the article) and ask for a quote.

Re: Getting a commission piece from VC
06/21/2007 - 20:59

Thank you again Alex! You have been outstanding help and it shows that you and this great forum are a class act.

Best Regards,


Thanks Mike :-) (nt)
06/21/2007 - 21:11


Alex, I'm not 100% sure you are correct ...
06/22/2007 - 00:10

In your post you indicate that it would not be possible to guarantee water resistance with a saphire back.  I'm pretty sure that VC could make the watch water resistant to 100 meters as the Blancpain Aqua Lung has a display back and is water resistant to 100 meters.  Surly if BP can pull this off than so can VC (I actually think that they could somehow manage to keep the 165 meters water resistance too!) .  Also, the new GO Sixties has a display back (a rather unique one) and it claims to be anti-magnetic.  I'm not sure how they manage this and I asked the West Coast representative how is was doen but he was not forthcoming with any information.

I don't know how Blancpain pulls it off but normally with a display
06/22/2007 - 01:03

back water resistance cannot be guaranteed after a certain depth as for the GO I'm not sure it there was any claim to antimagnatism...are you sure of this?

Roger Dubuis Easy Diver is rated 300m with crystal back...
06/22/2007 - 01:32

...but then its a real fatty .

I do want VC to keep the anti-magnetic on the Overseas. I would rather see the 2450 driven Overseas with a powerfull anti-shock device then vulnerable details like a crystal back.



Antimagnetic ...
06/22/2007 - 02:38


This past Tuesday I attended the "Inside Basel/Geneva Event" here in Los Angeles that is sponsored by WatchTime.  GO had one of their Senator 60's on hand and it was labeled anti-magnetic on the movement below the (really cool) display back.  As I said in my previous post, I asked the representative how they managed this but he didn't know.  Perhaps it was just the correct case with the wrong movement although I don't know any movements that have anti-magnetic inscribed on the base plate.


I believe you! The question is up to what extent the watch is
06/22/2007 - 12:27

antimagnetic. Basically today all modern wristwatches are built in a way to resist magnetism comming from computers, cell phones etc... however the degree of protection againts magnetism will not be the same depending if the movement is protected by a soft iron cage or not.

I guess GO's Senator Sixities is playing more n the 60s look with the word antimagnetic (as it is not more antimagnetic than any other watch) but the Overseas building on the "tool watch" sturdy watch look gives even higher antimagnetic protection than what is really needed.

Re: I don't know how Blancpain pulls it off but normally with a display
06/22/2007 - 03:19

I guess it is all relative.  VC and any other watch maker can probably create a crystal-backed watch that is water resistant even up to 500 meters.  But then again, as in the RD, would you want to have a watch of bathyscaphe or diving bell proportions strapped on your wrist?  On the other hand, VC might be able to come up with a slim and highly water-resistant piece but with a stellar price even higher than its water-resistance rating!  Then there is still the matter of anti-magnetism...yikes! 

Of course VC could just very well come up with such a watch soon and make a liar out of me.  I would be pretty damned embarrassed, but then again, there are worse things to be wrong about.

The movement of JLC is sufficiently good
06/22/2007 - 03:39

So, why to change the calibre ?. Besides, Overseas it's sport watch, therefore sapphire crystal caseback that misunderstanding in this case. I think that Vacheron should keep the present line Overseas.



I agree completely ...
06/22/2007 - 06:27

The Overseas is the ONLY watch that I've ever sold and then repurchased at a later time.  In MY OPINION it is a fantastic sports watch and perhaps the best sports watch that I have owned (and like many of us there have been a lot of watches over the years ).  The Overseas is robust, reliable, and very ledgible; when I wear it I never have to worry about the watch at all.  Now if I could just get a rubber strap for it ...


I think it is only a matter of time for the rubber strap (nt)
06/22/2007 - 14:18


Re: The movement of JLC is sufficiently good
06/22/2007 - 07:43

I agree on this point but I can also appreciate the desire for an in-house caliber.

I think there is no doubt that the current JLC and F. Piguet movents are more than up to the task at hand, and there is really no need to change them from a functional point of view.  However,  there is merit in developing and using your own movements in all your watches when taken from the point of achieving independence from suppliers (it is all a matter of balancing quality, and economies of scale/cost, I guess).

Now, the dilemna some must feel is that, knowing how beautifully finished a VC in-house caliber is, it would definitely be a shame not to be able to visually appreciate its beauty.  And although I also agree that a sports watch should be robust and that crystal caseback may be a step in the opposite direction, I can still appreciate the completely human desire to have the best of both worlds. 

Who knows?  I am sure VC is listening so everything is still possible, right? 


Exactly what I am thinking...
06/22/2007 - 08:10

Thanks for the great way of expressing the way that I feel about the Overseas with calibre 2450 and sapphire crystal caseback Kazumi. It definitely is an appreciation for the best of both worlds; a robust exterior of great quality that can be worn in any situation combined with one of the finest mechanical movements in the world, and the crystal to show it off.

Best Regards,