Vintage Cal 1003 Questions

Hi guys,

First post here! I'm looking for a vintage Cal 1003 watch and would like to know what the market price is for a 1960s example in good original condition, with dial and crown original. How much of a premium should a piece with the original box and buckle carry ?

I am looking particularly at ref 6355 and 6590 examples.

I am also a novice vintage watch collector in general so please bear with my questions.

If a seller says he "thinks" the dial and crown are original, is this a red flag that he is just trying to sound vague? 

Lastly, is there any quality difference between the Cal 1003 and the Audemars Cal 2003 ? I know they were both derived from JLC.

Thanks,

D
Re: Vintage Cal 1003 Questions
10/09/2012 - 01:50
Also, how does modern VC quality (such as case and movement finishing) compare with vintage ones? It irks me that the entry-level Malte lacks a form movement and that many VC movements are far too small for their cases.
Hi and welcome. Regarding ref 6355 and 6590 you may want to
10/09/2012 - 12:04
check the databases of Antiquorum, Christie's and Sotheby's, you'll have a clearer idea on the prices. I don0t have experience with cal 2003 so can't really comment but since the calibres are recieved in kits each brand will apply its own finishing techniques, assembly etc.... On another note cal 1003 and 2003 are not derived from JLC but JLC was contracted by VC and AP to create this movement which was never used by JLC
Re: Hi and welcome. Regarding ref 6355 and 6590 you may want to
10/09/2012 - 14:15
Thanks for the welcome. I've already checked through the databases of the major auction houses but there are few recent listings. Also, how do auction house prices compare with those of vintage dealers? Yes that was what I meant, although I did not phrase it with great exactitude.
I think vintage dealers try to price the watches in the same ballpark
10/09/2012 - 19:21
as auction prices (hammer + premium) but are often a bit higher as the watch has been most often serviced, cxomes with a new strap and a warraty
Re: I think vintage dealers try to price the watches in the same ballpark
10/10/2012 - 00:50
Thanks. Another question - how does the contemporary Cal 1003 compare with the vintage version? Cost aside, which would be preferable from a qualitative perspective? Why doesn't Vacheron insist on form movements for the Malte as Patek does for the Gondolo?
Cal 1003 has undergone some slight changes over time so I would
10/10/2012 - 22:52
Guess that the modern version is more sturdy but I can't really say that it is supperior. Re a form movement, it is a possibility but that would mean a higher price for the Malte as a movement would need to be specifically developed. The PP Gondolo for ex costs more than the Malte
Re: Cal 1003 has undergone some slight changes over time so I would
10/12/2012 - 01:23
Thanks. Another question - should the crown on the ref 6355 be signed with the Maltese Cross? I've just bought this specimen from Ira Schneider and he claims it is 100% original. Would appreciate any feedback based on the scans as this is my first vintage V&C. The buckle to me looks non-original. Many thanks in advance.
The crowns started having the Maltese cross in the 90s even though
10/12/2012 - 11:06
some earlier pieces had them, so the fact that your watch doesn't seems normal. The buckle is not original but it is extremely difficult to find oroginal buckles on vintage watches
Re: The crowns started having the Maltese cross in the 90s even though
10/12/2012 - 14:00
Thank you once again for the info. I had another watchmaker (though not necessarily a V&C expert) mention that the crown is not original in my pictures. Do you think it is?  I noticed certain references such as the 6099 had a signed crown, and so wondered about mine. According to the seller the buckle is original but I agree with you that it probably isn't. The engraving looks incredibly crude on that.  How does one tell if such a watch is keeping fairly accurate time, since the watch lacks both a second hand and minute markers?
the only way is to have it tested on a Witchi machine
10/12/2012 - 15:47
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Re: the only way is to have it tested on a Witchi machine
03/28/2015 - 18:47

Hi everybody, I would love to get a vintage VC cal 1003, and I found one whose reference number doesn't sound good to me (but I'm quite ignorant): on the Vc papers it's written C 3 7244...avec c 18 rubis. Ok it's in white gold, with original w.g. bracelet, but I cannnot explain neither the reference number nor the number of jewels.

Thanks to everyone willing to clear my mind.

Ciao

Carlo