Vintage Help: Ref 6483

Dear all, I am planning to purchase my first vintage vacheron constantin and need some advice. Its a white gold 6483 with cal.K1001. I have done a bit of research and believed that the case and the movement should be original for 6483, but the dial is a bit different from the other(in yellow gold). I know that there might be variations in dial for watches from that period, but still afraid that this watch is a re-dial. Hence, I would like to seek for advices from your guys. Thanks. 

03/16/2016 - 22:58
Re: Vintage Help: Ref 6483
03/16/2016 - 23:00

Photos of some other 6483 I found

Re: Vintage Help: Ref 6483
03/16/2016 - 23:09
Re: Vintage Help: Ref 6483
03/16/2016 - 23:14
Hi Michael, welcome to the English THL as well!
03/17/2016 - 01:07

The case and movement look OK.

Can you post a bigger/clearer picture of the dial?  It will make it easier to review.  The hour markers do not look orginal to me, and the ones at 12 and 9 look like they are not straight?  This often leads to the higher probability of a redial, but a better picture where we can see the details of the printing and other aspects of the dial will help alot.

FYI, during this time period: VC would make changes to the dial, hour marker, and/or hands so no more than 24 exact copies of the same watch existed.  They would all use the same Ref. number because the Ref. number refers to the case design.  This was VC normal operating practice, to ensure that everybody's watch would be exclusive!  No need for "Limited Editions"...as any VC was/is a very rare timepiece.

BR, Dan

PS., I answered some of your other questions on the Chinese THL.  Let us know if you have any additional questions.

 

Re: Hi Michael, welcome to the English THL as well!
03/17/2016 - 01:42

Hi Dan, thank you for your reply! I really appreciate them and hope you dont mind me posting the same question in the English forum. This is because I am really interested in this piece, as I prefer white gold a lot more than yellow gold. I have only got the link: http://www.chrono24.com/en/vacheronconstantin/classic--6483--weissgold-mechanik-calk-1001--id3839586.htm

No problem at all! :-)
03/17/2016 - 02:17

Both English and Chinese THL are the same to me.  :-)  Our English language forum gets much more participation, so it is good you could post here to see what other people have to say as well.

I just went to the website, the printing of Vacheron & Constantin and Genève look ok to me.  (the accent above the second "è" is there.  The "Swiss" has something to the right and left of the word.  I am guessing it is "σSWISSσ".  The "σ" means that the hour markers and/or hands are gold.  This symbol was not used consistently, but when it is there...that's what it signifies.

The brushed look of the dial is not unusual for VC.

The dial marker, especially the one at 12, looks crooked to me.  That is strangest thing for me in terms of the dial.

Other things to consider:

1. The seller has hidden the full serial numbers on the case and movement.  I always suggest you get these numbers and VC can help you check and make sure they match the archive records.  If they do, VC will also tell you the exact year of manufacture for the watch.

2. The regulator is already set at the extreme side to slow down the beat.  This can be a sign that the balance's amplitude is too low...and the watch needs servicing.  I always take a vintage watch in for servicing before wearing it on a regular basis.  So please include a budget for getting the watche serviced in addtion to the purchase price in order to get a "total cost" for the watch.

Cal. 1001 is a beautiful movement, I think it's one of the best that has come out of VC.  I love the maltese cross symbol on the shock protection.  The classic 5-bridge design is pure Swiss design.  Here is a picture of a cal. 1001 in one of my watches:

No problem at all! :-)

 

There are other, very knowledgeable, vintage collectors here, so hopfeully they will provide their input as well.

BR, Dan

 

Re: No problem at all! :-)
03/17/2016 - 11:21

Thanks for the advice. I got a reply from the seller about the serial numbers and its Nr.385034 for the case and Nr.556118 for the movemnet. How do I check these with the archive records? Should I send VC an email to ask for the exact year of manufacture? I was also told that dial and crown are original, but the strap and buckle arent. Will it be diffucult to identify and source the original buckle on the internet? I agree with your views on Cal. 1001. I prefer the classic 5-bridge design a lot more than the later desige. For instance, I think the small golden wheel for centre second on Cal. 1002 and Cal. 1003. removing some of the wheel covers to make the movement thinner just make them not as elegant and classical as Cal. 1001. Besides, the seller does not accept Paypal, but he is a trusted seller in Chrono24 since 2013. Have you had any purchasing experience with Chrono24? Are the trusted seller reliable? Thanks. 

the dial looks legit to me!
03/17/2016 - 17:25

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Hi Alex, can you help out Michael with checking the numbers?
03/17/2016 - 23:55

Case #: 385034

Movement #: 556118

Buckles and straps are rarely original when buying a vintage watch.  Getting a new VC strap is easy.

Getting an original buckle from this time period is difficult.  But you can buy two types of new buckles from VC.  One is is the modern, half-Maltese cross design and the other a vintage style buckle.  Sorry, but I'm traveling right now and don't have a picture of the buckle with me.

The small gold wheel on 1002 was how the center-seconds hand was added to movements back then.  This design, called indirect center seconds was a techinial challenge back then and considered quite an advance (it is also why an extra jewel is added).  Later on, the direct center seconds design was invented, so there was no need for the extra wheel.

1001 and 1003 did not need this extra wheel because it is not needed for a small seconds or no seconds hand.

Most sellers on Chrono24 that I've looked at do not accept Paypal, that is primarily and E-Bay thing.  Most watch sellers want wire transfer.  I have no information/experience with the Trusted Seller program. 

Good luck if you decide to buy the watch!

according to VC archives the watch dates from 1961 and the dial is correct
03/18/2016 - 10:13

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Re: according to VC archives the watch dates from 1961 and the dial is correct
03/18/2016 - 11:03

Thank you very much! 

Finally Mine!
08/03/2016 - 10:36
Hi everybody. I'm Andreas from Italy. I'm vintage watches Collector. Finally the opener doesn't close the sale and few days ago I've bought it from the German store. It looks well and All original. Just Serviced to my watchmaker. Now on my wrist. Thanks Mr. Alex Ghotbi for your opinion about that watch that were convincing me to buy it. I' m just looking for an Extract from Archives (is not frist VC and not frist extract for me). I'll do other better pictures, promise. Thanks, for the moment, Andreas
Re: No problem at all! :-)
08/04/2016 - 19:17

I was wondering if the shock springs were a type of Novodiac spring. They don't appear to have a hinge.

Just curious.

It's a beautiful movement!

Dave

Re: Hi Michael, welcome to the English THL as well!
03/17/2016 - 01:59

Also, for the dial, I think it is becuase the photo was not taken 100% vertically or the dial is not installed properly. I tried to straighten the photo based on the brand name and the second markers. And the hour markers seems to be straight. 

Thanks Michael, you may be right
03/17/2016 - 02:22

It may just be my eyes, but the marker at 12 looks like it does not align with the "+" printed for the small seconds hand and the marker at 6? 

I just put a ruler on top of my computer screen and it looks pretty straight...so it could just be an optical illusion that I have.

Update?
04/01/2016 - 06:08

So what was your decision?

Call Vacheron-Constantin
03/17/2016 - 11:36

Hi Michael,

If you can find the case # for this watch (usually on the back) contact  Vachereon Constantin at 877-701-1755 and ask. (This is the US number and you will need a different number outside of the US.) With the case #, Michelle will provide you with informaiton she has on her database. You also might try contacting  concierge.us@vacheron-constantin.com (...again this is for the US, and I'm sure you can find the email for whatever location you make the inquiry from.) You can attach the images of the watch, and that may help as well.

Kindest regards,Bill

Finally Mine!
08/03/2016 - 10:40
Hi everybody. I'm Andreas from Italy. I'm vintage watches Collector. Finally the opener doesn't close the sale and few days ago I've bought it from the German store. It looks well and All original. Just Serviced to my watchmaker. Now on my wrist. Thanks Mr. Alex Ghotbi for your opinion about that watch that were convincing me to buy it. I' m just looking for an Extract from Archives (is not frist VC and not frist extract for me). I'll do other better pictures, promise. Thanks, for the moment, Andreas
Re: Finally Mine!
08/04/2016 - 12:53
One more pic
Congratulations Soyuz!
08/04/2016 - 13:49

It fits your wrist so well!  Welcome to THL!

Beautiful and welcome to the Lounge. However, Can I please ask you to
08/04/2016 - 14:02

post the photos in a new thread as this one is an older one and the Loungers may not see your beautiful watch

Re: Beautiful and welcome to the Lounge. However, Can I please ask you to
08/04/2016 - 14:18
Thanks, I will