Vintage REF 6378

Hallo all.

I am new, today loged first time, so hi to all of you.

 I am going to buy vintage VC REF 6378. Has anybody seen this before? Any opinion about?

That is one COOL LOOKING case!
06/11/2014 - 12:18

I've seen models with "linen" patterned bezels, but not one like this watch. 

If you like it, get it!  It has a great cal 1071/1072 automatic movement as well.

Great Find!


Best Regards, Dan


P.S.  Welcome to THL

Dan, I completely agree.
06/11/2014 - 12:20

The case is beautiful and unique, and the caliber is an excellent example.  Looks like a truly great find!

Re: Vintage REF 6378
06/11/2014 - 13:15

a fantastic watch and love the case. Have never seen one like this heart

Here's a great complication of this ref by tick talk


Re: Vintage REF 6378
06/11/2014 - 13:48

Perheps this can put more light in all this.

It may have come with bracelet
06/11/2014 - 15:28

That brick-pattern carried over to the lugs would suggest a matching bracelet.  FWIW, the "Q" on the model reference signifies the date version.

Excellent information, Dean
06/11/2014 - 15:37

Both about the bracelet and the "Q," which I did not know.  Thanks.



Re: Vintage REF 6378
06/11/2014 - 17:13

Nice looking watch. Buy that watch. Welcome to THL

Best Regards

Re: Vintage REF 6378
06/11/2014 - 18:50

This is an unusal case indeed, i have an issue with the dial, there is not "Swiss" Or "Swiss Made" Also the font of "Automatic" looks strage, please double check the dial before you buy.

Re: Vintage REF 6378
06/11/2014 - 19:52

Very nice -looking case, with that unique pattern.

Dial looks good also but it's hard to tell if it has been redone.

Certainly the movement with the swan-neck regulator and Maltese Cross cover of the ruby are very nice features.

If the price is right, its an unique lovely watch.


What a great find but
06/11/2014 - 20:33

I also have some concerns about the font of "Automatic" and the lack of "Swiss" at six o'clock. You should get the case and movement numbers checked with Alex. I love this reference as there are many different case and dial variations. Below is a photo of mine (certified 6378Q).


What a great find but



Re: What a great find but
06/12/2014 - 06:24

Stunning piece by the way, how big is it?

Re: Re: What a great find but
06/12/2014 - 20:45

Hi there,

it's 35 mm.




Re: Vintage REF 6378
06/11/2014 - 22:05

Good evening all good people.First thank you for all opinions and notes about watch. I saw this watch some time ago and was attracted at first sight. But together with attraction, the questions appears. After I got more photo from the seller I start my primitive investigation. But to make it shorter I shall only show the facts. And I agree that it really looks like "good finding".

First, one watchmaker I know, warn me that this is "masterpiece" of watchmaking. He mentioned some prices, very high. I still waith for his check in one catalog.

On my question about dirty and "hm,hm" movement, he told me that gasket is probably letting water (humidity) in and "only" cleaning is to be done. He also noticed lot of reparation marks on the back plate. (Now my "amater" opinion. Movement is not in conditions I should expect from VC. From such brands it must be cristal clear, nice and without any doubts, what this one is not. There are scratches all over. First unacceptable thing).

Than, there is a gap between dial and a case (10 hours). Who knows why. Saller say that ( frankly, I could not understand him. English is not my mother tongue) this is just something to better adjust. I can and I do not have to believe. Who knows what is the real reason. First doubt.

If the gasket is leaking (as my friend think) than movement must be, les or more, damaged. Minimum is service. Price? You know this prices. Second unecaptable thing. OK, service, at the end I can take it but if something broke? Price? (still under second unacceptable)

Dial. First, what I did not notice till now, is missing. It is missing on some other models too. But as I know, all Swiss are with this mark. This is one doubt more, second. Than, AUTOMATIC is really in strange font and & between names looks different too. (still same, second doubt). OK, if the humidity "ruined", or better to say, "let the mark" on the movement, how it is possible that dial is so conserved, good. It taks me to one more doubt (new doubt becouse it opens a question: what all have be redone, if dial is)

Bracelet. Note about bracelet with same pattern is more than logical. I asked saller about it and he answer: It has no box or papers and the strap and buckle are not original. If it had box and papers with original strap & pin buckle it would be worth at least £1000 more!  So, this only make doubt deeper. (doubt no. 4)

What to say at the end. I can only be sorry that it does not cost more but to buy it without shaking afraid what will be when I find out the truth. And I am not a prophet but I see what should be. If someone other would buy it, eventually all could come good. But me? Oh no, there is much more nice, interesting and good opportunity watches around.

Sorry for long post but I hope you will understand why.


Thanks for sharing your analysis
06/11/2014 - 23:53

All very good points which guide you to the right decision yes.

Regarding the unusual fonts for "Automatic"...I've seen similar on Audemars automatics of the period but only once before on a V&C piece.  However, that was fresh from factory restoration, including a new dial, and belongs to someone here!  I hope they will jump in as it may take me awhile to find the pics again blush.


it is important to feel comfortable when buying a watch and if you're not comfortable then you are
06/12/2014 - 10:50

making the right decision

Gap at 9, 10, 11 position
06/12/2014 - 02:56

Movement is not securely attached to the case, missing casing clamp and screw.

Gap at 9, 10, 11 position