Vintage VC?

Hi all,

I am new to this and I hope you guys can help me.

It's very simple.  I have a watch and someone suggested that it might be a VC.

I enclose a photo of the watch.  The back is a 12 sides plygon with no writing at all.

I would love to hear whatever you guys can say about this watch.

Thanks,

Saul.

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Re: Vintage VC?
03/02/2008 - 01:59

Hi Saul,

The case and dial are consistent with VC from the early 1960's. Certainly the hour markers look like those VC used, but it would be nice to get a closer look to see their exact shape, particularly the ends.

It also looks like there has been some text worn off just under the Maltese Cross. This is where the words "Vacheron Constantin, Geneve" usually appear. You need to look at that area under magnification.

The lugs and crown including the slight indentation where the crown sits are also very suggestive.

However,to be more definitive, one would have to see the movement and inside of the case and see the numbers there (ie case number and stamps, movement S/N and type).

Regards and Welcome,

Joseph

agree with JB, you need to take the watch to a watchmaker and
03/02/2008 - 14:29

have the back opened to see if the movement and case back are signed.

Re: agree with JB, you need to take the watch to a watchmaker and
03/02/2008 - 16:32

Thanks JB and Alex, I don’t think my photography level is sufficient for this kind of detail so I have made a simple drawing of the hour markers as seen through a magnifying glass. The 9 hour marker was clearly glued and you can actually see the drop of glue around it. The dial itself is scattered with small particles and I suspect these are the remaining of the brand name.

On two of the lugs (diagonal positions) there is a sort of a stamp that I can’t tell what it says (photo attached). Does this and the polygon shape cover (I have added a photo of it) make us any nearer to a conclusion? I’ll be this Wednesday at the VC rep in Israel and they are going to take it to their expert for investigation. From all the photos I have seen over the internet, I couldn't find anything similar. Is there a good site with photos of all the VC models? Thanks, Saul.

Hi Saul, I think the only way to be 100% positive is to see the
03/02/2008 - 18:05

movement and case back. Many details lead us o believe that the watch is a VC but without seeing inscriptions on movement and case back there is no way in being 100% sure. Please keep us posted.

VC Vintage?
03/02/2008 - 19:14

Thanks Alex.

I will try to open the case and send you guys some more photos.

Did you see the last photos I have added? do they support my hopes?

Saul.

?VC Watch
03/02/2008 - 19:12

Hi Saul,

Those type of markers were used by VC although the ones which are pointed at one end were used more commonly.

It looks like a simple screw-back, so it should be easy to open.

If you can photograph the markings on the inside of the case that would be great. Hopefully they are not are as worn as on the outside ;-)

Look for a number which is the case number. There should be a .750 stamp indicating 18K gold and one or two other markings including V&C or Vacheron-Constantin.

On the movement you should see a serial number, which is also important to match with the case number; a movement number like P454 or K1001, something like that. There will be other markings as well, but those are the most important.

Take some pics!

Regards,

Joseph

Re: ?VC Watch
03/02/2008 - 23:29

OK people, it took all the courage I had and a bit more…… and then, I saw the light. I will say no more so I can hear your applause. Thank you thank you thank you.. Where do I go from here? This watch certainly needs attention. There is a rep in Israel but I would rather send it directly to the biological parents. Can I do that? Saul.

Re: ?VC Watch
03/02/2008 - 23:32

I forgot to mention:

Serial number on the movement is 576124 and there is another number on the movement, K1071, seems like the cal. to me.

With those numbers, can I trace this watch?

Thanks,

Saul.

Re: Re: VC looks authentic!
03/02/2008 - 23:58

Hi Saul,

Well it sure looks authentic from the photos.

The movement and case numbers which I believe do match up, indicate 1960-65 vintage.

I believe that's when the 1071 and 1072 (with date function) started to be used.

The other marks indicate swiss made (I belive that's a key on the right) and the profile of a woman's head indicating made in Canton of Geneva.

The writing underneath Vacheron and Constatin is a bit cryptic to me. I think it says "SW" +some numbers but I dont know the significance of it.

The dial may also have had the word "Automatic" printed on it.

There is one model: Reference 6727 which has the identical case, crown, and a similar dial but with a date window at 3 o'clock and used the 1072 movement. It was built in 1963 and sold in 1965. It also had a Geneva seal. I'm willing to bet, looking at the movement that yours has one too, but its likely hidden. So its clearly from that era.

But unfortunately, it does need a bit of restoration work. There must be some master watchmakers in Israel who can restore it. But if not, you can send it back to Geneva, to the Boutique and they will transfer it to their restoration department at their factory.

It will take a few months to get a quote and the time period to restore it depends on the amount of work required. It can take quite a while!

Good Luck,

Joseph

PS: If you do want to send it back to VC, Alex or I or many other people here would be happy to provide you with the required info.

Re: Re: Re: VC looks authentic!
03/03/2008 - 00:00

Sorry Saul,

I had another look at the case.

Its not "SW"+numbers, its "SWISS"

By the way, the lovely rotor on the movement is 18carat gold (18c)

I think its definitely worth restoring!

Joseph

Agree that the best solution would be to send it to VC in Geneva for a
03/03/2008 - 12:25

comple overhaul. The watch lokks as if it has taken a beating and it really would do it good to find its lost splendor in the hands of its maker!

Overhaul at VC
03/03/2008 - 12:53

Thanks all, I believe there are no shortcuts on this one and it seems we all agree that the best thing would be to send it to VC. JB, I will wait for the info on whom to contact, where and how to send it, etc. Just some more questions. 1. This movement has 29 jewels. Do all Cal. 1071/1 have the same number of jewels? 2. From your experience, can VC replace the back cover and dial or do they have the capacity to restore those. Thanks, Saul.

you can either
03/03/2008 - 13:07

send your watch to the authorised service center in Israel

Israel Chronotime*** Hamedina Sq. - 58, Heh Bi'yar St. 62150 Tel Aviv Tel00972 3 544 64 46

Or send it directly to VC, for an explanation of the procedure go to the VC website www.vacheron-constantin.com, click on Services then click on Customer Service Centers on the right hand side of the page click on the shipping instructions link.

I don't know who Chronotime are but from what I have heard here on the Lounge often ADs charge an extra fee on repairs and you might want to send the watch directly.

VC can of course restaure the dial and theback cover

Re: you can either
03/03/2008 - 16:30

Thanks Alex,

I spoke to the boutique in  Geneve and I will ship it to them soon.

Cross fingers form.

Saul.

Re: Overhaul at VC
03/03/2008 - 16:29

Hi Saul,

Alex has outlined the steps to take.

The restoration dept. at VC is superb; I've seen it.

They have records of all watches ever produced by VC and certainly will do a fantastic job of restoring yours.

So you shouldn't have any concerns in that respect.

I can't comment on the 1071 in detail. I am not that familiar with the movement itself.

Regards,

Joseph

Re: Re: Overhaul at VC
03/03/2008 - 16:32

Thanks JB.

I guess I will enetr silence mode until I get a word from VC after inspection of the watch.

Saul.

please post scans of the watch once it comes back! (nt)
03/03/2008 - 16:36

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Re: please post scans of the watch once it comes back! (nt)
03/14/2008 - 15:03

Just a short update:

Watch safely arrived at the Vacheron Constantin Boutique in Geneva.

Saul.

Re: Re: please post scans of the watch once it comes back! (nt)
03/18/2012 - 12:38
Bye the way, does anyone know how many jewels this movement has?