Watch case made in Japan ?

My friend send me some pictures about V&C watche. This watch is made of platinum,  use kaliber 453 , case was made in japan!

In the pocket watch era, had a Japanese case assembly Swiss watch movement. In the watch era, according to rumors, V&C、 OMEGA,、IWC used the Japanese case.  Japanese like  Platinum case style.

I have a doubt: the movement number and case numbers is not complete!

Who knows the history? Please explain in detail, thank you!

 

 

Re: Watch case made in Japan ?
04/04/2016 - 14:03
Re: Re: Watch case made in Japan ?
04/04/2016 - 14:42

The case without a mark. Really rare!

can you post the full caseback?
04/04/2016 - 15:39

Can you also give the movement number so I can check with archives?

Re: can you post the full caseback?
04/04/2016 - 15:54

movement no. 528963

can you post photo of the whole of the case back and not just the numbers?
04/04/2016 - 16:08
I've never heard of V&C using watch cases made in Japan for the Japanese market
04/04/2016 - 15:39

There was a period where movements, cases and/or dials were sent to the US as seperate items to avoid high import Tariffs coming into the U.S.  The movements are inscribed with a "VXN", which represents the US importer at that time (Wittnauer).

The movement is an authentic Cal. 454. I thinki the movement's serial number 528963 indicates it was made in approximately late 50s - early 60s.

I would say this is a recased watch, the Japanese case has a serial number of 120105 and doesn't mean anything to me.

Platinum cases were manufactured in Japan for a number of models during that period.
04/04/2016 - 20:13

I have seen several IWC with platinum cases as well. In fact, a cal. 89 just sold on ebay.

The confusing part, however, is whether or not the manufacturers gave their tacit approval. I the IWC examples that I have seen show no references to the manufacturer on the case. 

I have the impression that it was a grey area, and that while Swiss manufactureres were are of the Japanese appetite for such cases during that period, they did not sanction the manufacturing of the cases.

Here's an example of one of the IWC cases:

Platinum cases were manufactured in Japan for a number of models during that period.

Cheers,

Tony C.

 

 

Re: Platinum cases were manufactured in Japan for a number of models during that period.
04/04/2016 - 23:57
thank you。 I'm still not clear, the case of your IWC is a fake?The v&c references is 6292, can you find a watch in Switzerland case of this model?
Re: Re: Platinum cases were manufactured in Japan for a number of models during that period.
04/05/2016 - 03:11

You will need to contact V&C to find the answer to your question.

Regards,

Tony C.

Re: Re: Re: Platinum cases were manufactured in Japan for a number of models during that period.
04/09/2016 - 00:51
Re: Re: Re: Platinum cases were manufactured in Japan for a number of models during that period.
04/09/2016 - 00:56

This is the Japanese market precious metal marks。

 Japanese production of platinum case is true.But many Swiss manufacturers do not recognize the movement made for japan marketsmiley
Thanks for the information about the Japanese Maker's Mark
04/09/2016 - 01:13

It is a nice complement to an old post Tick-Talk created about the Swiss Maker's mark.  This info will go into my watch database.

 

I still do not believe that VC exported movements, dials, hands to the Japanese market to be assembled into Japanese manufactured cases.

1. The ability to put "Swiss" on the dial would be an issue in the 1950s-1970s

2. I would think VC would need to add a specific mark to identify these movements, similar to what they did earlier on with "VXN".

I think the Swiss watches you see in Japan with Japanese made cases were just recased.

 

Re: Thanks for the information about the Japanese Maker's Mark
04/09/2016 - 01:57

My view is that  watch can be used as a study of the truth, but I will not buy.

Re: Thanks for the information about the Japanese Maker's Mark
05/13/2016 - 06:10

swallow is mean for  the case original made in Japan

Cool, thanks Tony. I did not know this about the Japanese watch market (in general)
04/05/2016 - 06:33

I can understand their appreciation for platinum, but did not know they would make cases domestically.  I hope that if they did recase these watches (and not get the movements, dials, hands, etc. from the Manufacture), the orginal cases were not lost?

BR, Dan