Sorry forgot to address that they rate this new movement slightly lower than the previous OS chrono movement. Normally they do so for new movements. So one can assume that the rating will surpass the PP and approach 90 once the stability and reliability are confirmed.
- the fact that the date is not horizontal has nothing to do with movement architecture but with design: depends on where the dial is opened to see the date
- I'll let those who are planning to buy the OS comment on the "acceptability " of the price increase but replacing an outsourced Piguet movement with an inhouse caliber with Geneva seal comes at a cost
I agree with you on your comments. Their ratings are based on his criteria and on his perception, but I must mention that he does keep a consistent approach. He says the same for all other brands.
My point was on his scoring, which as per his rating consistency is very good.
This turns me off big-time. I've never heard of The Watch Enthusiast before now. I just went to their website, but do not subscribe to them.
Whether this is one invidual or a committee that does these ratings, I find a number ratings system to be superfcial when it comes to watches, art, beauty, etc. It gives a false impression of objectivity.
Consistency is a relative term, as these numbers cannot be repeated accurately and/or precisely over time. They are based on opinion and preference, not truly quantifiable measures.
I can appreciate an explanation of why/how somebody feels about a watch and would be more interested in that information, communicated and described clearly based on what that individual believes. Putting a number to it turns me off.
WatchTime also uses a numbering system, which I always ignore. But I do like to read the reviews and see/understand what the reviewer really says about the watch.
My 2 cents.
dear Dan, dear VC fans,
I know the founder of TWE: he is a very good pro, having worked for a major Watch manufacture in some very important roles, but he is also a very clever person in this industry, listened by numbers of great watchmakers. He is a person in the industry who goes deep into details and know a lot about the it.
TheWatchEnthusiast is a critical but quite objective guide, primarily an App, it is not financed by advertising but subscriptions only. You can download a limited version free of charge and check how the ratings are made: it is very consistent and Felipe Da Palma, is smart and intelligent enough to change a comment or rating, when he is wrong.
My comments are related to my thoughts on quantifying subjective opinions with a number score and using them to compare different items. It's the same reason I don't like certain sports (or other competitions) where judges give number scores to compare different performances (even when they throw out the high and low scores). I don't doubt the capabilities and experience of the judges themselves.
It has nothing to do with Felipe, whom I do not know and do not doubt his experience, knowledge, capabilities etc.
I suppose the report is thought to give guidance to potential buyers but maybe I'm wrong.
Anyway, I've always kept myself away from this kind of analysis, they make me feel like someone suggesting you to stop thinking becase he will do it for you. Scary.
Lucky us, watchmaking is not art (at least in the OS' product range) and follows precise techniques which are easy to read to someone that's slightly acquainted to them. The clearest example may be given by the premium these analysis usually give to the in-house movement.
This is not the case of the Overseas of course but generally speaking it simply means nothing. There are good movements and bad movements to my thinking; in-house movements can be found in both categories.
I don't pay attention to the market, to opinion leaders, to brand ambassadors etc.
Aesthetic is subjective so I don't pay attention to that kind of evaluations too.
I'd love to know more about the new calibres since I haven't found that much to deepen my knowledge about them, although I must admit I've been a little lazy these days.
Maybe Godfather will come up with something, I do really hope so.
P.S. Eagerly waiting for the ultra-slim Overseas time-only with not in-house movement - steeeeeel.
on the last three
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong watch (VC Overseas Automatic 4500v--from SIHH 2016) and the date is clearly horizontal (but I really liked the date betwee the 4 & 5). As far as making the watch available for "NATO bands..., file under "Who Cares?" These aren't Swatches. Why not put under Cons: "They cost more than a Timex and have few mens Quart models?" Who rates the raters?
The only problem with the new Overseas is that they abandoned the engraving of the Amerigo Vespucci three-masted sailing ship for a compass rose. But since I also like compass roses; not a problem.
Opinions are just that; don't take them too seriously.
I love my vintage OS with all its faults.
I belong to the Winnipeg Watch Enthusiasts - no relation.